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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 2, 2018 0:06:04 GMT
The Battle of San Jacinto was the decisive battle which ultimately handed independence to the Republic of Texas, which was waging a war against Mexico in what is known as the Texas Revolution. The Battle took place in eastern Texas, near the Gulf of Mexico, on April 21 1836, and lasted only 16 minutes. Yet the carnage resulted in a decisive Texan victory. Sam Houston's 910-strong force was able to crush the 1,360 Mexicans stationed there, sustaining only 11 deaths, compared to the 650 fatalities they inflicted upon Mexican forces.
One day after the disastrous Mexican defeat, Sam Houston's soldiers captured Mexican President and General--António López de Santa Anna, responsible for the war. He signed a peace treaty weeks later, handing Texas her independence. The Battle of San Jacinto proved essential for Texan victory and ultimately, her independence.
But what if Sam Houston's forces were defeated in the Battle of San Jacinto? What if Santa Anna was able to repel the rebel attack and launch a successful counteroffensive? What kind of consequences could that bring to modern history and the result of the war itself? Leave your thoughts and ideas!
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Post by lordroel on Apr 2, 2018 8:15:11 GMT
The Battle of San Jacinto was the decisive battle which ultimately handed independence to the Republic of Texas, which was waging a war against Mexico in what is known as the Texas Revolution. The Battle took place in eastern Texas, near the Gulf of Mexico, on April 21 1836, and lasted only 16 minutes. Yet the carnage resulted in a decisive Texan victory. Sam Houston's 910-strong force was able to crush the 1,360 Mexicans stationed there, sustaining only 11 deaths, compared to the 650 fatalities they inflicted upon Mexican forces. One day after the disastrous Mexican defeat, Sam Houston's soldiers captured Mexican President and General--António López de Santa Anna, responsible for the war. He signed a peace treaty weeks later, handing Texas her independence. The Battle of San Jacinto proved essential for Texan victory and ultimately, her independence. But what if Sam Houston's forces were defeated in the Battle of San Jacinto? What if Santa Anna was able to repel the rebel attack and launch a successful counteroffensive? What kind of consequences could that bring to modern history and the result of the war itself? Leave your thoughts and ideas! I always was surprised that a Mexican army of 1,360 could be defeated by Texan Rebels numbering 910. |
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 2, 2018 15:38:22 GMT
The Battle of San Jacinto was the decisive battle which ultimately handed independence to the Republic of Texas, which was waging a war against Mexico in what is known as the Texas Revolution. The Battle took place in eastern Texas, near the Gulf of Mexico, on April 21 1836, and lasted only 16 minutes. Yet the carnage resulted in a decisive Texan victory. Sam Houston's 910-strong force was able to crush the 1,360 Mexicans stationed there, sustaining only 11 deaths, compared to the 650 fatalities they inflicted upon Mexican forces. One day after the disastrous Mexican defeat, Sam Houston's soldiers captured Mexican President and General--António López de Santa Anna, responsible for the war. He signed a peace treaty weeks later, handing Texas her independence. The Battle of San Jacinto proved essential for Texan victory and ultimately, her independence. But what if Sam Houston's forces were defeated in the Battle of San Jacinto? What if Santa Anna was able to repel the rebel attack and launch a successful counteroffensive? What kind of consequences could that bring to modern history and the result of the war itself? Leave your thoughts and ideas! I always was surprised that a Mexican army of 1,360 could be defeated by Texan Rebels numbering 910. In my opinion, the Texans would've still won. Just cause they got defeated once means they'll complete give up. What made that win seriously special was the fact they captured Santa Anna, and managed to get him to sue for peace. If we Texans were just defeated, they would retreat east--perhaps back to Gonzalez--and regroup, and reattempt their assault with renewed forces. There was nothing especially decisive about San Jacinto prior to the capture of Santa Anna, only a good whammy to the Mexicans. After a couple of battles, seeing how disorganized the Mexicans were, they could've easily still won. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 2, 2018 15:40:14 GMT
I always was surprised that a Mexican army of 1,360 could be defeated by Texan Rebels numbering 910. In my opinion, the Texans would've still won. Just cause they got defeated once means they'll complete give up. What made that win seriously special was the fact they captured Santa Anna, and managed to get him to sue for peace. If we Texans were just defeated, they would retreat east--perhaps back to Gonzalez--and regroup, and reattempt their assault with renewed forces. There was nothing especially decisive about San Jacinto prior to the capture of Santa Anna, only a good whammy to the Mexicans. After a couple of battles, seeing how disorganized the Mexicans were, they could've easily still won. I think if the battle was on a open field, the Mexicans would have the advantages. |
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 2, 2018 15:46:21 GMT
They had the advantage. Allas, a crummy leadership and the fact that it was a freak surprise attack meant carnage.
A 16-minute carnage.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 2, 2018 15:48:41 GMT
They had the advantage. Allas, a crummy leadership and the fact that it was a freak surprise attack meant carnage. A 16-minute carnage. I read on Wiki, if you can trust that Santa Anna, Castrillón, and Almonte yelled often conflicting orders, so i am wonder if one person had shouted orders the Mexican soldiers might have stood a change. |
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 2, 2018 15:51:32 GMT
They had the advantage. Allas, a crummy leadership and the fact that it was a freak surprise attack meant carnage. A 16-minute carnage. I read on Wiki, if you can trust that Santa Anna, Castrillón, and Almonte yelled often conflicting orders, so i am wonder if one person had shouted orders the Mexican soldiers might have stood a change. It was a disastrous mess. And a very lucky mess for Texans: they literally found the President of Mexico, the guy who could give them independence, hiding on the tall grass like a complete idiot less than a day after one of the greatest victories for the Texan cause. Anyway, it is most likely they would've re-done the whole thing, this time with more men, if they had been defeated in San Jacinto. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 2, 2018 16:18:48 GMT
I read on Wiki, if you can trust that Santa Anna, Castrillón, and Almonte yelled often conflicting orders, so i am wonder if one person had shouted orders the Mexican soldiers might have stood a change. It was a disastrous mess. And a very lucky mess for Texans: they literally found the President of Mexico, the guy who could give them independence, hiding on the tall grass like a complete idiot less than a day after one of the greatest victories for the Texan cause. Anyway, it is most likely they would've re-done the whole thing, this time with more men, if they had been defeated in San Jacinto. I do wonder, if the Texans have lost the Battle of the Alamo and the Battle of San Jacinto, do they still have army left to fight with. |
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 2, 2018 16:39:30 GMT
In fact, they would've lost three battles, counting the defeat at Fort Goliath. However, there were more than enough supporters and volunteers willing to die for Texan independence. Around 350 rebels died in the Alamo. That's actually nothing compared to the thousands who actually volunteered. Sam Houston would have little trouble bringing new volunteers.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 2, 2018 16:44:11 GMT
In fact, they would've lost three battles, counting the defeat at Fort Goliath. However, there were more than enough supporters and volunteers willing to die for Texan independence. Around 350 rebels died in the Alamo. That's actually nothing compared to the thousands who actually volunteered. Sam Houston would have little trouble bringing new volunteers. That if he was not either killed ore captured in the Battle of San Jacinto, you did not mention this in your first post. |
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 3, 2018 0:38:11 GMT
In fact, they would've lost three battles, counting the defeat at Fort Goliath. However, there were more than enough supporters and volunteers willing to die for Texan independence. Around 350 rebels died in the Alamo. That's actually nothing compared to the thousands who actually volunteered. Sam Houston would have little trouble bringing new volunteers. That if he was not either killed ore captured in the Battle of San Jacinto, you did not mention this in your first post. Who? Sam Houston? He made it out of the battle just fine. Now, Santa Anna was a very lousy general. Sooner or later, even if he made it out of San Jacinto, he would've gotten himself captured or killed anyways. He would pursue the Texans restlessly, until he was put out of action. He was so crummy he would've gotten himself captured at some point or another. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 3, 2018 3:41:29 GMT
That if he was not either killed ore captured in the Battle of San Jacinto, you did not mention this in your first post. Who? Sam Houston? He made it out of the battle just fine. Now, Santa Anna was a very lousy general. Sooner or later, even if he made it out of San Jacinto, he would've gotten himself captured or killed anyways. He would pursue the Texans restlessly, until he was put out of action. He was so crummy he would've gotten himself captured at some point or another. Santa Anna is a man who had a active life, do not know any president in history who has served eleven non-consecutive presidential terms, if he had won the Battle of San Jacinto he would surly use it to his advantage political, that is until he was removed from power again. |
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 3, 2018 15:13:16 GMT
Who? Sam Houston? He made it out of the battle just fine. Now, Santa Anna was a very lousy general. Sooner or later, even if he made it out of San Jacinto, he would've gotten himself captured or killed anyways. He would pursue the Texans restlessly, until he was put out of action. He was so crummy he would've gotten himself captured at some point or another. Santa Anna is a man who had a active life, do not know any president in history who has served eleven non-consecutive presidential terms, if he had won the Battle of San Jacinto he would surly use it to his advantage political, that is until he was removed from power again. Active? Surely. However, he was loathed by the Mexican people, and unconstitutionally held on to power, shaving off 50% of the Mexican territory in one of the most disastrous wars in North American history. He would've gotten himself killed in Texas, trust me. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 3, 2018 16:07:45 GMT
Santa Anna is a man who had a active life, do not know any president in history who has served eleven non-consecutive presidential terms, if he had won the Battle of San Jacinto he would surly use it to his advantage political, that is until he was removed from power again. Active? Surely. However, he was loathed by the Mexican people, and unconstitutionally held on to power, shaving off 50% of the Mexican territory in one of the most disastrous wars in North American history. He would've gotten himself killed in Texas, trust me. I can think of no greater gift he could have given Mexico than that but unfortunately not. |
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 3, 2018 18:23:38 GMT
Active? Surely. However, he was loathed by the Mexican people, and unconstitutionally held on to power, shaving off 50% of the Mexican territory in one of the most disastrous wars in North American history. He would've gotten himself killed in Texas, trust me. I can think of no greater gift he could have given Mexico than that but unfortunately not. Unfortunately, terrible people have a way for defying logic and staying alive even during the most unconventional of episodes.You could've thrown Hitler into an active volcano and emerged with only some shredded pants. |
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