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Post by lordroel on Apr 16, 2018 16:43:50 GMT
If i can give my two cents, the update lack a sense of desperation for the Soviet to start a war of this kind (a possible last war for humanity); sure they will lose part of the advantages gained till now...still they will be in a better position than from they started and frankly many of the politbureau will make comparisation with Germany being dragged in the war by Austria-Hungary as much of the conflict it's the work of Castro and his puppet, hell many can thing at the american intervention as a good thing as it will make them waste men and resources and will teach at the upstart revolutionary who's really call the shoot. Adding a note about the collapse of the Ukraine production and how this will put at the total mercy of the americans and can be forced to pubblicy let their allies dry (among other things) IMVHO give the right contest on why the Soviet (that till now were more on gradual advance and avoid too strong direct confrontation) will decide to launch a direct invasion of North America There is more to be revealed as to why. Intentions for Western Europe post-invasion are something I indeed to state. The China-US alliance is another factor where the Soviets feel the pressure from that. I fear in the end, the death in China, might make it a mass death scenario, thus you might get a warning as the board does not allow mass death scenario, just kidding James, World War III for China is not going to be a fun.
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Post by James G on Apr 16, 2018 17:10:58 GMT
There is more to be revealed as to why. Intentions for Western Europe post-invasion are something I indeed to state. The China-US alliance is another factor where the Soviets feel the pressure from that. I fear in the end, the death in China, might make it a mass death scenario, thus you might get a warning as the board does not allow mass death scenario, just kidding James, World War III for China is not going to be a fun. Notice taken, Admiral. Anyway, I am following much of the movie canon, short as it is, but not all. China as mentioned in the movie isn't something I am following. Still, the country plays a role in the war and won't come out well.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 16, 2018 17:22:40 GMT
I fear in the end, the death in China, might make it a mass death scenario, thus you might get a warning as the board does not allow mass death scenario, just kidding James, World War III for China is not going to be a fun. Notice taken, Admiral. Anyway, I am following much of the movie canon, short as it is, but not all. China as mentioned in the movie isn't something I am following. Still, the country plays a role in the war and won't come out well. You know it is a joke, i classify mass death scenarios by two, the first i do not approve and that is mass death scenario by stupidity which are mass death scenarios where people drops a country ore large amount of people into a empty world ore drop lets say 1, 10 ore 100 billion into our world knowing a lot of people are going to die for no reason than the person who made that thread being stupid, the second i call mass death scenario by scenario and that implies there is a reason behind it like mass death scenarios found in books, movies, games ore like in this, a timeline, those i can approve as they are a work in fiction.
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Post by lordbyron on Apr 16, 2018 17:50:19 GMT
Oh, I agree that this will be the bloodiest war of the 20th century; I'm making a prediction that World War III will kill more people than World Wars I and II combined, and maybe more beyond that...
Waiting for more, and it's the final countdown...
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Post by lordroel on Apr 16, 2018 17:53:29 GMT
Oh, I agree that this will be the bloodiest war of the 20th century; I'm making a prediction that World War III will kill more people than World Wars I and II combined, and maybe more beyond that... Waiting for more, and it's the final countdown... If you go by the Red Dawn movie (the classic), then we might see the death of several hundreds of millions.
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Post by James G on Apr 16, 2018 18:43:40 GMT
Oh, I agree that this will be the bloodiest war of the 20th century; I'm making a prediction that World War III will kill more people than World Wars I and II combined, and maybe more beyond that... Waiting for more, and it's the final countdown... And they race to that has began. If you go by the Red Dawn movie (the classic), then we might see the death of several hundreds of millions. We'll see how that goes.
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Post by James G on Apr 16, 2018 18:46:26 GMT
Chapter Eight – The Art of the Maskirovka
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Late June 1984:
A trio of high-level Soviet military officers arrived in Cuba a few days after the Politburo decision. Marshal Sokolov, Marshal Ogarkov and Colonel-General Yazov flew in with their aides and also Yazov’s advance command staff: Yazov had left his post as head of the Transcaucasian Military District to take charge of the Group of Soviet Forces in Cuba here on this island. The Defence Minister and Chief of the General Staff – Sokolov and Ogarkov respectively – came to meet with assembled notaries from the armed forces of countries across the region. There was no surprise announcement for Raúl Castro, Humberto Ortega plus those from Guatemala and Grenada had already been informed of what was happening. No attendance in Havana came from representatives of neither Mexico, Panama or any Eastern Bloc country in Europe though. There was a great deal of secrecy in the meeting. What these men were to talk about was what was due to happen in less than three months time to the north of them: Operation Red Star, the invasion of the United States.
The draft plan was presented, that being to use both Cuba and Mexico as a springboard for a joint attack into the American homeland. Comments were listened to though what Ogarkov told them – Sokolov said little – was the plan which would be followed subject to only a few changes & additions. This was how the invasion was to be done and the initial stages of the war were to take place. The political masters of the men in the room had already agreed to follow the lead set by their fraternal ally, their big brother from across in Eurasia. This meant that in the coming months, significant numbers of troops from Cuba, Nicaragua and Guatemala would enter Mexico in force to help defend the Mexican Revolution. They would step back from the frontlines but be in a position to defend Mexico against an American incursion. This would be the declared mission and the only truth which everyone apart from those at the very top would know. The scale of their presence would be hidden as best as possible, with Soviet help in that camouflage, yet they could be expected to be detected. There was a good chance that they might face American attack from the air too. Nonetheless, they were to stay in-place. The troop commitment would be increased through July and August and eventually spread across the north of Mexico. There would be no initial overt Soviet military presence in Mexico; that would come into Cuba and Grenada instead. However, in September there would be the very limited entry of selective Soviet forces into Mexico. At the moment of attack, combined arms operations would be launched using Mexico as a springboard for Cuban and Central American forces direct over the border into the United States while Soviet forces would follow them when moving from Cuba into the American homeland through secured access points. It was explained that the Soviet build-up in Cuba was needed to be done there to avoid a different kind of reaction than would come should that be made in Mexico instead. Latin American forces spotted by the Americans in Mexico would mean a defence; Soviet forces would mean an attack. Why spoil the surprise?
Objectives were set out for the attack and then the first few months of the conflict before winter weather set in. The war wasn’t expected to be won before the New Year. If it did, that would welcome yet it wasn’t expected. The conflict was actually anticipated to last up to nine months with an initial fight and then extended combat next year. A far heavier Soviet military commitment would be made for that secondary period. The fighting inside the United States border regions at first would then see a move forward. Red Star called for an operation to strike deep and break up resistance using geographic features: the Rocky Mountains were key to that as they split the western half of the United States in two. Parts of them, especially cross-country access points through the mountains, would be taken to allow for Red Star to work. American resistance would be dealt with piecemeal in the first stage. The second stage would see the defining battles take place east of those mountains, across on the Great Plains, early next year and into the summer months. There and then complete victory would be won. Defeat on the battlefield, complete and utter defeat, would be the end of American organised resistance. As to other resistance, that was expected from the first day with guerrilla actions to be readied for. These would be dealt with, using as much force as possible. Further plans for how to do this would come soon… Ogarkov didn’t say how much of that was going to be guesswork.
The date for X Day was revealed, though that was subject to change. Sokolov interjected that should it, it wouldn’t be by much. That was near firm. He let Ogarkov carry on. Also revealed was the scale of military support in terms of arms and supplies to be sent to the Soviet Union’s allies to help defend against American pre-war offensive action and to assist in the war effort when it came. A headquarters for Red Star would be led by a Cuban military officer to be determined by Fidel’s brother with Yazov as his principle deputy. There would be joint command in many instances. Mention was made too that a maskirovka was already underway to force the Americans to look everywhere and anywhere else as much as possible. When they did see troops in Mexico and in Cuba (which they would), they would be presented as what they wanted to see: hostile defenders, not offensive forces massing for attack. Ogarkov spoke of the high-tech military measures to be employed in concealment then in attack as well. He talked too of the discipline to be employed pre-invasion as Soviet GRU military officers made their presence felt (in other uniforms) to help in that concealment of intent plus once the invasion started to get invading troops to behave and do their duty in fighting.
There was so much which he and Sokolov didn’t discuss with those whom they met with in Havana. The employment of ‘special weapons’ – by Soviet forces only – wasn’t brought up, nor that after this meeting, Sokolov would be off to Panama. There was no discussion with these men of military action to be taken elsewhere in the world, much of that to secure the supply lines running from Eurasia across to Latin America. Geo-political goals of the Soviet Union beyond stopping an expected American attack against them weren’t revealed either. Those which concerned how the plans were for Western Europe to quickly fall under Soviet economic control and the intention to secure with intimidation food supplies from Africa & South America at favourable rates once the war started so Ogarkov’s country could feed itself after everything at home pointed to a famine coming due to the Ukraine poisoning weren’t raised. Those were state secrets, news which was contained among those who needed to know… no one outside of Moscow that was. The political masters of the Latin American military-men had already been told of the riches their countries were promised for supporting the war when they would take what they wanted not just from conquered areas of the United States but from elsewhere so there was no need to bring that up at this meeting either. Furthermore, yet something else not talked about were future plans beyond the medium term to bring the Cold War to a final close in American defeat in the manner foreseen. Ogarkov hadn’t been at that Politburo meeting on June 22nd; Sokolov had and he – a candidate, non-voting member of that body – had witnessed how after deciding to go to war, it was only then that his country’s leaders discussed in detail their justification to each other for doing that. Sokolov was a political soldier though still a soldier foremost. Yet, even he knew that that shouldn’t have been the way things like that were done. The Politburo was full of a quest for power, prestige and domination: just what they had accused Kennedy of having. Who would have thought it?
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Post by lordroel on Apr 16, 2018 18:52:29 GMT
Operation Red Star, the invasion of the United States. That is a good name for something that will bring chaos and destruction across the planet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 19:17:37 GMT
The die is cast.
The Rubicon has been crossed.
Bozhe moi.
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Post by lukedalton on Apr 16, 2018 19:36:07 GMT
If i can give my two cents, the update lack a sense of desperation for the Soviet to start a war of this kind (a possible last war for humanity) Did the Germans in 1939 be desperate to start their World War II, did they need to. When you the war you start risk to eliminate the great majority of the multicellular life on the planet...you included; the idea that there is no other option it's a must
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Post by raunchel on Apr 16, 2018 20:30:42 GMT
Somehow I was thinking that it would be Red Dawn, but this still sounds very good. Of course, it's incredibly unlikely, but you still manage to makea plan like this come across as believable.
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Post by James G on Apr 16, 2018 20:40:39 GMT
Operation Red Star, the invasion of the United States. That is a good name for something that will bring chaos and destruction across the planet. Krasny Zvezda
The die is cast. The Rubicon has been crossed. Bozhe moi. Soon enough! Somehow I was thinking that it would be Red Dawn, but this still sounds very good. Of course, it's incredibly unlikely, but you still manage to makea plan like this come across as believable. Oh, its only a fictional story. That's why I do for entertainment. Thank you: I've war-gamed out how to fight this... globally too.
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Post by stevep on Apr 16, 2018 21:16:39 GMT
So the Soviets are expecting to smuggle a group of Soviet forces into Cuba without the Americans detecting them. Then while facing opposition in Poland and the ME and fighting against China - although it might be fairly easy with current CCP forces to stand largely on the defensive - and simultaneously make a massive invasion of the US, plus supply that in the face of the considerable superiority the USN has. Plus that the US won't use its own nuclear forces to prevent a successful invasion. That has bugger all chance of working and a good chance of much of the planet being incinerating. I wonder what their been smoking??
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Post by raunchel on Apr 16, 2018 21:19:42 GMT
So the Soviets are expecting to smuggle a group of Soviet forces into Cuba without the Americans detecting them. Then while facing opposition in Poland and the ME and fighting against China - although it might be fairly easy with current CCP forces to stand largely on the defensive - and simultaneously make a massive invasion of the US, plus supply that in the face of the considerable superiority the USN has. Plus that the US won't use its own nuclear forces to prevent a successful invasion. That has bugger all chance of working and a good chance of much of the planet being incinerating. I wonder what their been smoking?? Perhaps it's been their success in Afghanistan that has allowed greater import of certain plants? Combine it with Latin American expertise (I know, not the right countries, but still).
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Post by James G on Apr 16, 2018 21:45:23 GMT
So the Soviets are expecting to smuggle a group of Soviet forces into Cuba without the Americans detecting them. Then while facing opposition in Poland and the ME and fighting against China - although it might be fairly easy with current CCP forces to stand largely on the defensive - and simultaneously make a massive invasion of the US, plus supply that in the face of the considerable superiority the USN has. Plus that the US won't use its own nuclear forces to prevent a successful invasion. That has bugger all chance of working and a good chance of much of the planet being incinerating. I wonder what their been smoking?? Oh, they expect that their movements will be seen. Just misinterpreted as defensive not offensive. Because who would seriously invade when faced with such insurmountable odds!!?? Yeah, the nuke issue will come up, big time. Perhaps it's been their success in Afghanistan that has allowed greater import of certain plants? Combine it with Latin American expertise (I know, not the right countries, but still). Your joke has gone oh so terribly wrong!
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