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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 4:04:10 GMT
Quick question - these are the events that lead up to the invasion of the USA in Red Dawn?
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Post by James G on Mar 23, 2018 8:42:37 GMT
Quick question - these are the events that lead up to the invasion of the USA in Red Dawn? There is a Red Dawn canon from the little back story from the movie. I am trying to make that work though have got carried away. At the same time I have extensive notes and plans for my war... which should start soon.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 23, 2018 9:51:20 GMT
Quick question - these are the events that lead up to the invasion of the USA in Red Dawn? There is a Red Dawn canon from the little back story from the movie. I am trying to make that work though have got carried away. At the same time I have extensive notes and plans for my war... which should start soon. Well you are already entertaining us as it is James, the war will increase that entertainment for use a thousandfold.
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Post by stevep on Mar 23, 2018 11:02:06 GMT
There is a Red Dawn canon from the little back story from the movie. I am trying to make that work though have got carried away. At the same time I have extensive notes and plans for my war... which should start soon. Well you are already entertaining us as it is James, the war will increase that entertainment for use a thousandfold. Will agree its been entertaining, albeit in a pretty depressive way, and the war is likely to be a similar case of living in interesting times I fear.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 23, 2018 11:03:27 GMT
Well you are already entertaining us as it is James, the war will increase that entertainment for use a thousandfold. Will agree its been entertaining, albeit in a pretty depressive way, and the war is likely to be a similar case of living in interesting times I fear. That it will steve, that it will.
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Post by lordbyron on Mar 23, 2018 15:37:39 GMT
Yeah, this war will easily top the Civil War in terms of death and destruction, IMO...
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Post by James G on Mar 23, 2018 15:57:08 GMT
Well you are already entertaining us as it is James, the war will increase that entertainment for use a thousandfold. Will agree its been entertaining, albeit in a pretty depressive way, and the war is likely to be a similar case of living in interesting times I fear. There is a lot of death and destruction coming. A lot. Yeah, this war will easily top the Civil War in terms of death and destruction, IMO... After DC, KC and Omaha are destroyed, then conventional war, that is for certain.
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Post by James G on Mar 23, 2018 15:58:13 GMT
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October 1982:
The Red Army Faction assassinated Hans-Dietrich Genscher on October 16th. They had long targeted him – alongside many others – with a near miss against West Germany’s vice chancellor & foreign minister, and leader of the coalition party FDP, occurring earlier in the year. With their success back in 1979 of getting the American general Al Haig, the terrorist group were intending to build upon that propaganda coup by eliminating Genscher. The Stasi contact with the cell who carried out the assassination was out of West Germany before it took place. He had done his job – with orders coming from Moscow initially though without him knowing that – and passed on details about how and where Genscher could be got at. Genscher was well-protected but there were always holes in any protection. The KGB had eyes on Genscher… well, ears anyway – they were bugging his phone and some conversations – and an opening had been found. That was exploited. A small Commando of the Red Army Faction (their designation for their hit squad) consisting of three men and a woman opened fire upon him and his bodyguards with stolen MP-5 sub-machine guns. Genscher was killed instantly along with three of those with him and another two security personnel left badly-injured. The terrorists got away clean and escaped to a safe-house. They waited there, hiding from the massive police operation underway to track them down. One of them became ill the next day, a stomach bug that turned serious, and then the other trio were ill by the following day. On the third, each of them was dead. Someone had poisoned them with a lethal substance and made sure that they wouldn’t be talking. They barely knew much anyway, especially not who was really behind Genscher’s assassination.
October 21st saw a trio of explosions occur at the Unterweser nuclear power plant in the northwestern part of West Germany. There was a small blast and then a really big blast. A man was shot in Unterweser’s security office and another stabbed; a third fled there and then – in an outrageous breach of security – got out of power plant’s grounds when there were alarms wailing and a lock-down meant to be taking place. A third and final explosion took place, this one not caused by a bomb but by the build-up of air pressure. That was the one which everyone would afterwards be really concerned about. It occurred in the reactor hall. Now there really was an emergency situation at Unterweser. There was a leak of radiation into the atmosphere before everything could be sealed off. More radiation could leak at any moment. Specialist emergency teams descended upon Unterweser first from across West Germany then from elsewhere in Western Europe following inter-government cooperation. A herculean effort was underway to stop a real disaster from happening beyond what already had. There were civilian evacuations in an organised fashion but also a lot of panic. Rumours were spread and brought further uncontrollable panic. Many West Germans followed official instructions and believed what they were told that the initial leak was minor and the risk of a further one was small. Other West Germans didn’t believe what they heard from the government at all. As to the missing man who’d got out of Unterweser, there was soon a nationwide hunt for him which turned into a Continent-wide hunt when there was a lead he had been through Maastricht heading to either the Netherlands, Belgium or France… maybe further. Police in Calais found a body near to the port on the last day of the month which matched the Interpol alert: the senior safety engineer missing from Unterweser – wanted for attempted murder, murder, terrorism and probably espionage too – had apparently hung himself in a motel room in France the night before he was going to board a ferry to Britain.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 23, 2018 16:02:20 GMT
(80)October 1982: The Red Army Faction assassinated Hans-Dietrich Genscher on October 16th. They had long targeted him – alongside many others – with a near miss against West Germany’s vice chancellor & foreign minister, and leader of the coalition party FDP, occurring earlier in the year. With their success back in 1979 of getting the American general Al Haig, the terrorist group were intending to build upon that propaganda coup by eliminating Genscher. The Stasi contact with the cell who carried out the assassination was out of West Germany before it took place. He had done his job – with orders coming from Moscow initially though without him knowing that – and passed on details about how and where Genscher could be got at. Genscher was well-protected but there were always holes in any protection. The KGB had eyes on Genscher… well, ears anyway – they were bugging his phone and some conversations – and an opening had been found. That was exploited. A small Commando of the Red Army Faction (their designation for their hit squad) consisting of three men and a woman opened fire upon him and his bodyguards with stolen MP-5 sub-machine guns. Genscher was killed instantly along with three of those with him and another two security personnel left badly-injured. The terrorists got away clean and escaped to a safe-house. They waited there, hiding from the massive police operation underway to track them down. One of them became ill the next day, a stomach bug that turned serious, and then the other trio were ill by the following day. On the third, each of them was dead. Someone had poisoned them with a lethal substance and made sure that they wouldn’t be talking. They barely knew much anyway, especially not who was really behind Genscher’s assassination. October 21st saw a trio of explosions occur at the Unterweser nuclear power plant in the northwestern part of West Germany. There was a small blast and then a really big blast. A man was shot in Unterweser’s security office and another stabbed; a third fled there and then – in an outrageous breach of security – got out of power plant’s grounds when there were alarms wailing and a lock-down meant to be taking place. A third and final explosion took place, this one not caused by a bomb but by the build-up of air pressure. That was the one which everyone would afterwards be really concerned about. It occurred in the reactor hall. Now there really was an emergency situation at Unterweser. There was a leak of radiation into the atmosphere before everything could be sealed off. More radiation could leak at any moment. Specialist emergency teams descended upon Unterweser first from across West Germany then from elsewhere in Western Europe following inter-government cooperation. A herculean effort was underway to stop a real disaster from happening beyond what already had. There were civilian evacuations in an organised fashion but also a lot of panic. Rumours were spread and brought further uncontrollable panic. Many West Germans followed official instructions and believed what they were told that the initial leak was minor and the risk of a further one was small. Other West Germans didn’t believe what they heard from the government at all. As to the missing man who’d got out of Unterweser, there was soon a nationwide hunt for him which turned into a Continent-wide hunt when there was a lead he had been through Maastricht heading to either the Netherlands, Belgium or France… maybe further. Police in Calais found a body near to the port on the last day of the month which matched the Interpol alert: the senior safety engineer missing from Unterweser – wanted for attempted murder, murder, terrorism and probably espionage too – had apparently hung himself in a motel room in France the night before he was going to board a ferry to Britain. I fear the Greens in West Germany will take advantage of this.
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Post by raunchel on Mar 23, 2018 16:13:04 GMT
At least the RAF will really suffer quite a hit in popularity if they are in any way linked to the Unterweser incident. It's really different from their normal behaviour.
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Post by lukedalton on Mar 23, 2018 16:54:13 GMT
Yeah, this war will easily top the Civil War in terms of death and destruction, IMO... Multiyear modern land conflict fought with 80's level of tech and (limited) use of WMD (Nuclear assured, chemical probably), frankly i expect WW1 western front level of loss and many zone that will resemble post-world war 2 Germany in the aftermath, and i not take in consideration China.
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Post by lukedalton on Mar 23, 2018 17:10:59 GMT
I fear the Greens in West Germany will take advantage of this. That's the probable plan of the KGB...but honestly it's a doble edged sword; this is not Chernobyl or Fukushima, aka an incident due to mismanagement, faulty procedure or natural cause not taken in consideration. This is a man made operation, a terrorist attack that one shrewd politician can put a name on it and can declare that as ordered by anyone that had even the minimal and suspected attachment to the attacker. Sure i expect that the KGB will have done an outstanding work in cover their trace, but not only nobody is perfect and every european intelligence and police force will scrubs the man life many many time over *, but many can see the Green or the RAF as the one that instigated the attack * while no real proof will be found that the soviet are under the attack at the nuclear plant, frankly i expect that various URSS embassy will receive package with piece of various agents and the message: Don't even think about to do it again; as even the feeble suspect to attempting to irradiate half the continet will cause a lot of turmoil, rage and strong (behind the scene) answer
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Post by stevep on Mar 24, 2018 12:00:03 GMT
At least the RAF will really suffer quite a hit in popularity if they are in any way linked to the Unterweser incident. It's really different from their normal behaviour. I keep having the problem, being British, of having to do a double think every time RAF gets used in this TL.
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Post by stevep on Mar 24, 2018 12:02:35 GMT
Since the dominant winds in Europe are normally from west to east, at least for Britain, how much of any fall-out is over the Warsaw Pact region. Especially since a lot of people and leaders in those regions will have a very good idea who was behind the terrorist attack I can see a lot of unhappy people. Including some high level government and military figures as the Soviets have shown a total disregard for their people and countries.
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Post by James G on Mar 24, 2018 12:59:51 GMT
I fear the Greens in West Germany will take advantage of this. They certainly will. At least the RAF will really suffer quite a hit in popularity if they are in any way linked to the Unterweser incident. It's really different from their normal behaviour. It will be linked in the public mind to them - terrorism - and that they will. They aren't very popular but this will make it even worse for them. That's the probable plan of the KGB...but honestly it's a doble edged sword; this is not Chernobyl or Fukushima, aka an incident due to mismanagement, faulty procedure or natural cause not taken in consideration. This is a man made operation, a terrorist attack that one shrewd politician can put a name on it and can declare that as ordered by anyone that had even the minimal and suspected attachment to the attacker. Sure i expect that the KGB will have done an outstanding work in cover their trace, but not only nobody is perfect and every european intelligence and police force will scrubs the man life many many time over *, but many can see the Green or the RAF as the one that instigated the attack * while no real proof will be found that the soviet are under the attack at the nuclear plant, frankly i expect that various URSS embassy will receive package with piece of various agents and the message: Don't even think about to do it again; as even the feeble suspect to attempting to irradiate half the continet will cause a lot of turmoil, rage and strong (behind the scene) answer The idea was never to make it look like an accident but a deliberate terrorist attack. The killings of those involved in both attacks, purposely done days apart, screams that there is more to this than just terrorism. Questions will be asked, blame apportioned to all sources. Screams of false flags blaming everyone else. Just mess and ongoing mess all for one eventual purpose. I keep having the problem, being British, of having to do a double think every time RAF gets used in this TL. Yep! I keep writing Red Army Faction for that reason. Since the dominant winds in Europe are normally from west to east, at least for Britain, how much of any fall-out is over the Warsaw Pact region. Especially since a lot of people and leaders in those regions will have a very good idea who was behind the terrorist attack I can see a lot of unhappy people. Including some high level government and military figures as the Soviets have shown a total disregard for their people and countries. You are correct. There will be concern to the east. However, all that has happened is the release of steam. Bad, very bad, but no massive radiation cloud... despite all of the hysteria it is actually quite harmless. Those told that in the East might not believe it though.
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