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Post by lordroel on Mar 18, 2018 14:44:32 GMT
Regarding finding the money for all the military toys and the enlarged committements, well that's the trick, doing a real trimming of the military programms Reducing operation in Germany might do it, it will not make the West Germans happy but the British can give them the guarantee that they still will help them if the need arise.
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Post by James G on Mar 18, 2018 18:47:08 GMT
I've added some of the ideas mentioned into the update below though not all. Argentina and Chile are both busy as you will see. Grenada is long beyond British interference now.
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Post by James G on Mar 18, 2018 18:49:56 GMT
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May 1982:
The Belize War was over and everything was meant to return to normal again. There was none of that normality which came once the fighting stopped following the British victory over Guatemala. Castro got his wish, the one which he wanted when he gave the nod to Guatemala back in March, though it came in an unforeseen manner. Cuba would end up achieving its geo-political goals across Central America and parts of the Caribbean region too, just not following the sequence he had at first anticipated.
During the conflict, there had been protest marches across several countries in support of Guatemalan ‘liberation’ of Belize along with denunciations of both ‘British imperialism’ and ‘Yankee interference’. Those had taken place in nations ranging from Honduras across Nicaragua, down to Panama and over in Grenada too. Following the defeat suffered by Guatemala, there came violence with these. The effects and causes of them were different from country to country but there was the hand of Cuba in each of them. Honduras was supposedly a stable country where the right-wing military regime had control: they certainly didn’t when a big march in Tegucigalpa heading towards the British Embassy erupted into violence. The diplomatic compound was left untouched as the protesters instead rampaged through parts of the city burning, looting and killing. Honduras was led by General Paz García, a man whose regime was in trouble without American aid (Kennedy had cut that off last year) and beholden to Columbian drug cartels linked in ways which the Hondurans couldn’t put their finger on with the regime in Panama. The riot in the country’s capital kicked off a week of violence with hundreds of deaths. It was the start of the country’s civil war too. Managua saw a series of organised marches, ones controlled by Nicaragua’s Sandinista regime, take place where there were there was no violence but a government-sponsored effort to protest against the embassies of Britain and the United States. It was pretty much the same in Panama though with only the British targeted for protests organised by the regime and the waving of Guatemalan flags done plentiful. Over in Grenada, the New Jewel Movement regime brought out its youth wing. The High Commission was targeted with mass demonstrations throughout the war and afterwards. Grenada remained a Commonwealth nation with a Governor-General representing Britain but the country no longer resembled anything like it had once been. There was gunfire in the crowd the day the news came that Guatemala had been defeated with bullets hitting the High Commission (thankfully without any casualties). At the big airport on the island which Cuba had kindly built for Grenada, Cuban troops there exercised throughout the conflict with Grenadian forces as they prepared to defend the country from ‘imperialist aggression’.
The day after Guatemala requested a ceasefire using Mexican intermediaries, there was a tense military stand-off near to the Cayman Islands which was out of the public eye. A pair of Cuban warships were offshore and HMS Coventry, the Royal Navy destroyer which had been near to the Caymans throughout the conflict, moved to escort them outside of the twelve-mile limit which they crossed. When the Cubans engaged in clear hostile manoeuvres, Coventry’s captain – aware of his orders from the Admiralty not to escalate tensions yet with concern over what the Cubans were up to – called for air support. RAF Phantoms flew low passes in the sky. Cuban MiGs came south and then there was the arrival too of Sea Harriers from HMS Hermes. There were plenty of military assets, all armed, in a small area of sea and sky. In addition, a Soviet spy ship (a Balzam-class intelligence ship) festering with antenna was present too just to complicate matters. The Cubans eventually sailed out of the territorial waters of the Cayman Islands and their aircraft all went back to where they had come from. Cuban intentions were unknown here but they had shown their willingness to push out from their own country with warships and aircraft once again towards a British territory. The ‘Caymans Incident’ as became known came ahead of a major discussion back in London, beyond the disbanding War Cabinet, over what to do in the future with regards with Belize. The deaths and the destruction inside Belize were immense and that included the disappearances of many prominent political figures. The BDF had fought well but been outclassed and would need a rebuild. Military facilities had been fought over and taken immense damage. Belize City had no running water and no electricity while the small capital city which was Belmopan had been bombed during the conflict as well as having seen sporadic shelling done there. In the following weeks, while London was watching with alarm the situation in Grenada, hasty reports were filled from experts sent out to assess the immediate future for Belize. Independence was going to have to be delayed. A significant amount of aid was going to be needed to uplift Belize. There would remain a military threat from Guatemala too: the border had been crossed once and could be crossed again. The simultaneous Guatemalan attack during their invasion where they captured the coast – recognised as the work of Cuban planners – was something studied (and silently admired for its ingenuity) as it could be repeated again. Britain was going to be tied to the defence of Belize for some time now and probably to other territorial possessions in the Caribbean as well in the face of Cuban aggression. That was all going to cost money, lots of it. Those elements of the British Armed Forces which had fought in the Belize War would need to be rotated out and others brought in. This commitment was going to have to be made less the Guatemalans wait six months or so and come back again, this time making sure any attempt to dislodge them would be far more difficult than it had been the first time around. Groans came from HM Treasury: money, it was always about money.
Across back in Central America, as Honduras started on its path to a devastating civil war where left-wing guerrillas suddenly started to get an influx of weapons from abroad, neighbouring El Salvador followed the same course with violence taking place. General Romero was long thought to have a handle on things in his little country. He had replaced the foreign backing removed from the Kennedy Administration with that of other Latin American powers such as Argentina, Chile and Venezuela. Those countries were partners down in South America with (among others) undertaking Operación Cóndor in one giant intelligence cooperation that transcended national borders and ignored the little matters of human rights and the rule of law. Chile was more committed to El Salvador than Argentina was, with Venezuela on the fringes, and it was General Pinochet down in Santiago who was keeping Romero in power (Chile hadn’t had its US aid cut though was pushing the envelope on what it was up to as far as Mondale was concerned). Pinochet foresaw the toppling of dominos after Nicaragua and then Guatemala had been lost to the hated communists. El Salvador was far away, yes, but it was a domino he helped to keep propped up fearing what would come afterwards and downwards towards Chile. Forced disappearances and the dropping of bodies over the ocean (Argentina helped with those) were the done thing in recent years. Come late-May and re-entering into the scene was the former US Ambassador to El Salvador, a man fired by the Kennedy Administration in its first days. John Negroponte made a visit to the capital San Salvador. It was unofficial and to do with cultural interests supposedly: he was a private citizen, no longer ambassador nor with the State Department. Cóndor’s involvement with El Salvador and the DINA & SIDE intelligence operatives in the country were linked to his year-long ambassadorship though, one of the primary reasons why Secretary of State Mondale had been fast to get rid of him. Negroponte arrived in San Salvador, met with Romero and other Salvadorans, supposedly innocent meetings though all held in secret as Negroponte wasn’t declared to be in-country, and then went to out to dinner with some friends from Argentina and Chile. He never made the dinner. Gunfire raked his car and killed him plus the DINA-supplied bodyguards for this private citizen. Someone had talked and someone had decided to act. Pinochet would have the Salvadorans crack down in response, not so much for Negroponte nor his own intelligence agents, but because the rebels in El Salvador had put their head above the parapet. And what would follow would be the Salvador Civil War, one to make the one starting in Honduras, and others preceding it elsewhere in Latin America, look innocent in comparison. Hondurans and Salvador rebels would be getting overt help from Cuba within months to follow the covert support.
Kennedy was briefed on the Negroponte assassination afterwards. As said, Negroponte was now a private citizen. He’d been cleared out of the State Department by Mondale just as others had been banished from Langley by his appointment as Director of Central Intelligence in the form of Cyrus Vance. Vance came to the White House and met with the president in addition to both Mondale and National Security Adviser Admiral Stansfield Turner. Negroponte’s targeted killing, made so openly, was important enough to have such a meeting of these men with the president. However, Kennedy was distracted at that time. He heard what they said about the possibility (it turned out to be the reality) of mass unrest in El Salvador, but didn’t follow the line of thinking as to how it all would go. How could the death of one, unimportant man change things like his top officials said it would? He didn’t see it. He didn’t think it all possible about those dominos. That distraction was foremost in his mind anyway: a front-page story in the supermarket tabloid the National Enquirer. That rag, a hive of muck-raking gutter journalism in his opinion, had been on his back throughout his presidential campaign and into his presidency. There had been Chappaquiddick lies dressed up as new revelations and dark hints that he and his wife were living separate lives. Now, the National Enquirer had a new splash. There was a picture on the cover of the young wife of the current Canadian Prime Minister and allegations that back in the Seventies, Kennedy and Margaret Trudeau (one news wire service had mistakenly said Margaret Thatcher when reporting on the story!) had had an extramarital affair. This was all kicking up quite the domestic storm for him.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 18, 2018 18:59:02 GMT
(75)May 1982: The Belize War was over and everything was meant to return to normal again. There was none of that normality which came once the fighting stopped following the British victory over Guatemala. Castro got his wish, the one which he wanted when he gave the nod to Guatemala back in March, though it came in an unforeseen manner. Cuba would end up achieving its geo-political goals across Central America and parts of the Caribbean region too, just not following the sequence he had at first anticipated. During the conflict, there had been protest marches across several countries in support of Guatemalan ‘liberation’ of Belize along with denunciations of both ‘British imperialism’ and ‘Yankee interference’. Those had taken place in nations ranging from Honduras across Nicaragua, down to Panama and over in Grenada too. Following the defeat suffered by Guatemala, there came violence with these. The effects and causes of them were different from country to country but there was the hand of Cuba in each of them. Honduras was supposedly a stable country where the right-wing military regime had control: they certainly didn’t when a big march in Tegucigalpa heading towards the British Embassy erupted into violence. The diplomatic compound was left untouched as the protesters instead rampaged through parts of the city burning, looting and killing. Honduras was led by General Paz García, a man whose regime was in trouble without American aid (Kennedy had cut that off last year) and beholden to Columbian drug cartels linked in ways which the Hondurans couldn’t put their finger on with the regime in Panama. The riot in the country’s capital kicked off a week of violence with hundreds of deaths. It was the start of the country’s civil war too. Managua saw a series of organised marches, ones controlled by Nicaragua’s Sandinista regime, take place where there were there was no violence but a government-sponsored effort to protest against the embassies of Britain and the United States. It was pretty much the same in Panama though with only the British targeted for protests organised by the regime and the waving of Guatemalan flags done plentiful. Over in Grenada, the New Jewel Movement regime brought out its youth wing. The High Commission was targeted with mass demonstrations throughout the war and afterwards. Grenada remained a Commonwealth nation with a Governor-General representing Britain but the country no longer resembled anything like it had once been. There was gunfire in the crowd the day the news came that Guatemala had been defeated with bullets hitting the High Commission (thankfully without any casualties). At the big airport on the island which Cuba had kindly built for Grenada, Cuban troops there exercised throughout the conflict with Grenadian forces as they prepared to defend the country from ‘imperialist aggression’. The day after Guatemala requested a ceasefire using Mexican intermediaries, there was a tense military stand-off near to the Cayman Islands which was out of the public eye. A pair of Cuban warships were offshore and HMS Coventry, the Royal Navy destroyer which had been near to the Caymans throughout the conflict, moved to escort them outside of the twelve-mile limit which they crossed. When the Cubans engaged in clear hostile manoeuvres, Coventry’s captain – aware of his orders from the Admiralty not to escalate tensions yet with concern over what the Cubans were up to – called for air support. RAF Phantoms flew low passes in the sky. Cuban MiGs came south and then there was the arrival too of Sea Harriers from HMS Hermes. There were plenty of military assets, all armed, in a small area of sea and sky. In addition, a Soviet spy ship (a Balzam-class intelligence ship) festering with antenna was present too just to complicate matters. The Cubans eventually sailed out of the territorial waters of the Cayman Islands and their aircraft all went back to where they had come from. Cuban intentions were unknown here but they had shown their willingness to push out from their own country with warships and aircraft once again towards a British territory. The ‘Caymans Incident’ as became known came ahead of a major discussion back in London, beyond the disbanding War Cabinet, over what to do in the future with regards with Belize. The deaths and the destruction inside Belize were immense and that included the disappearances of many prominent political figures. The BDF had fought well but been outclassed and would need a rebuild. Military facilities had been fought over and taken immense damage. Belize City had no running water and no electricity while the small capital city which was Belmopan had been bombed during the conflict as well as having seen sporadic shelling done there. In the following weeks, while London was watching with alarm the situation in Grenada, hasty reports were filled from experts sent out to assess the immediate future for Belize. Independence was going to have to be delayed. A significant amount of aid was going to be needed to uplift Belize. There would remain a military threat from Guatemala too: the border had been crossed once and could be crossed again. The simultaneous Guatemalan attack during their invasion where they captured the coast – recognised as the work of Cuban planners – was something studied (and silently admired for its ingenuity) as it could be repeated again. Britain was going to be tied to the defence of Belize for some time now and probably to other territorial possessions in the Caribbean as well in the face of Cuban aggression. That was all going to cost money, lots of it. Those elements of the British Armed Forces which had fought in the Belize War would need to be rotated out and others brought in. This commitment was going to have to be made less the Guatemalans wait six months or so and come back again, this time making sure any attempt to dislodge them would be far more difficult than it had been the first time around. Groans came from HM Treasury: money, it was always about money. Across back in Central America, as Honduras started on its path to a devastating civil war where left-wing guerrillas suddenly started to get an influx of weapons from abroad, neighbouring El Salvador followed the same course with violence taking place. General Romero was long thought to have a handle on things in his little country. He had replaced the foreign backing removed from the Kennedy Administration with that of other Latin American powers such as Argentina, Chile and Venezuela. Those countries were partners down in South America with (among others) undertaking Operación Cóndor in one giant intelligence cooperation that transcended national borders and ignored the little matters of human rights and the rule of law. Chile was more committed to El Salvador than Argentina was, with Venezuela on the fringes, and it was General Pinochet down in Santiago who was keeping Romero in power (Chile hadn’t had its US aid cut though was pushing the envelope on what it was up to as far as Mondale was concerned). Pinochet foresaw the toppling of dominos after Nicaragua and then Guatemala had been lost to the hated communists. El Salvador was far away, yes, but it was a domino he helped to keep propped up fearing what would come afterwards and downwards towards Chile. Forced disappearances and the dropping of bodies over the ocean (Argentina helped with those) were the done thing in recent years. Come late-May and re-entering into the scene was the former US Ambassador to El Salvador, a man fired by the Kennedy Administration in its first days. John Negroponte made a visit to the capital San Salvador. It was unofficial and to do with cultural interests supposedly: he was a private citizen, no longer ambassador nor with the State Department. Cóndor’s involvement with El Salvador and the DINA & SIDE intelligence operatives in the country were linked to his year-long ambassadorship though, one of the primary reasons why Secretary of State Mondale had been fast to get rid of him. Negroponte arrived in San Salvador, met with Romero and other Salvadorans, supposedly innocent meetings though all held in secret as Negroponte wasn’t declared to be in-country, and then went to out to dinner with some friends from Argentina and Chile. He never made the dinner. Gunfire raked his car and killed him plus the DINA-supplied bodyguards for this private citizen. Someone had talked and someone had decided to act. Pinochet would have the Salvadorans crack down in response, not so much for Negroponte nor his own intelligence agents, but because the rebels in El Salvador had put their head above the parapet. And what would follow would be the Salvador Civil War, one to make the one starting in Honduras, and others preceding it elsewhere in Latin America, look innocent in comparison. Hondurans and Salvador rebels would be getting overt help from Cuba within months to follow the covert support. Kennedy was briefed on the Negroponte assassination afterwards. As said, Negroponte was now a private citizen. He’d been cleared out of the State Department by Mondale just as others had been banished from Langley by his appointment as Director of Central Intelligence in the form of Cyrus Vance. Vance came to the White House and met with the president in addition to both Mondale and National Security Adviser Admiral Stansfield Turner. Negroponte’s targeted killing, made so openly, was important enough to have such a meeting of these men with the president. However, Kennedy was distracted at that time. He heard what they said about the possibility (it turned out to be the reality) of mass unrest in El Salvador, but didn’t follow the line of thinking as to how it all would go. How could the death of one, unimportant man change things like his top officials said it would? He didn’t see it. He didn’t think it all possible about those dominos. That distraction was foremost in his mind anyway: a front-page story in the supermarket tabloid the National Enquirer. That rag, a hive of muck-raking gutter journalism in his opinion, had been on his back throughout his presidential campaign and into his presidency. There had been Chappaquiddick lies dressed up as new revelations and dark hints that he and his wife were living separate lives. Now, the National Enquirer had a new splash. There was a picture on the cover of the young wife of the current Canadian Prime Minister and allegations that back in the Seventies, Kennedy and Margaret Trudeau (one news wire service had mistakenly said Margaret Thatcher when reporting on the story!) had had an extramarital affair. This was all kicking up quite the domestic storm for him. Wow a lot to process here, a Cuban-British standoff, events happening across Central and South America and a president who had a affair, keep it up James.
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Post by James G on Mar 18, 2018 19:24:45 GMT
(75)May 1982: The Belize War was over and everything was meant to return to normal again. There was none of that normality which came once the fighting stopped following the British victory over Guatemala. Castro got his wish, the one which he wanted when he gave the nod to Guatemala back in March, though it came in an unforeseen manner. Cuba would end up achieving its geo-political goals across Central America and parts of the Caribbean region too, just not following the sequence he had at first anticipated. During the conflict, there had been protest marches across several countries in support of Guatemalan ‘liberation’ of Belize along with denunciations of both ‘British imperialism’ and ‘Yankee interference’. Those had taken place in nations ranging from Honduras across Nicaragua, down to Panama and over in Grenada too. Following the defeat suffered by Guatemala, there came violence with these. The effects and causes of them were different from country to country but there was the hand of Cuba in each of them. Honduras was supposedly a stable country where the right-wing military regime had control: they certainly didn’t when a big march in Tegucigalpa heading towards the British Embassy erupted into violence. The diplomatic compound was left untouched as the protesters instead rampaged through parts of the city burning, looting and killing. Honduras was led by General Paz García, a man whose regime was in trouble without American aid (Kennedy had cut that off last year) and beholden to Columbian drug cartels linked in ways which the Hondurans couldn’t put their finger on with the regime in Panama. The riot in the country’s capital kicked off a week of violence with hundreds of deaths. It was the start of the country’s civil war too. Managua saw a series of organised marches, ones controlled by Nicaragua’s Sandinista regime, take place where there were there was no violence but a government-sponsored effort to protest against the embassies of Britain and the United States. It was pretty much the same in Panama though with only the British targeted for protests organised by the regime and the waving of Guatemalan flags done plentiful. Over in Grenada, the New Jewel Movement regime brought out its youth wing. The High Commission was targeted with mass demonstrations throughout the war and afterwards. Grenada remained a Commonwealth nation with a Governor-General representing Britain but the country no longer resembled anything like it had once been. There was gunfire in the crowd the day the news came that Guatemala had been defeated with bullets hitting the High Commission (thankfully without any casualties). At the big airport on the island which Cuba had kindly built for Grenada, Cuban troops there exercised throughout the conflict with Grenadian forces as they prepared to defend the country from ‘imperialist aggression’. The day after Guatemala requested a ceasefire using Mexican intermediaries, there was a tense military stand-off near to the Cayman Islands which was out of the public eye. A pair of Cuban warships were offshore and HMS Coventry, the Royal Navy destroyer which had been near to the Caymans throughout the conflict, moved to escort them outside of the twelve-mile limit which they crossed. When the Cubans engaged in clear hostile manoeuvres, Coventry’s captain – aware of his orders from the Admiralty not to escalate tensions yet with concern over what the Cubans were up to – called for air support. RAF Phantoms flew low passes in the sky. Cuban MiGs came south and then there was the arrival too of Sea Harriers from HMS Hermes. There were plenty of military assets, all armed, in a small area of sea and sky. In addition, a Soviet spy ship (a Balzam-class intelligence ship) festering with antenna was present too just to complicate matters. The Cubans eventually sailed out of the territorial waters of the Cayman Islands and their aircraft all went back to where they had come from. Cuban intentions were unknown here but they had shown their willingness to push out from their own country with warships and aircraft once again towards a British territory. The ‘Caymans Incident’ as became known came ahead of a major discussion back in London, beyond the disbanding War Cabinet, over what to do in the future with regards with Belize. The deaths and the destruction inside Belize were immense and that included the disappearances of many prominent political figures. The BDF had fought well but been outclassed and would need a rebuild. Military facilities had been fought over and taken immense damage. Belize City had no running water and no electricity while the small capital city which was Belmopan had been bombed during the conflict as well as having seen sporadic shelling done there. In the following weeks, while London was watching with alarm the situation in Grenada, hasty reports were filled from experts sent out to assess the immediate future for Belize. Independence was going to have to be delayed. A significant amount of aid was going to be needed to uplift Belize. There would remain a military threat from Guatemala too: the border had been crossed once and could be crossed again. The simultaneous Guatemalan attack during their invasion where they captured the coast – recognised as the work of Cuban planners – was something studied (and silently admired for its ingenuity) as it could be repeated again. Britain was going to be tied to the defence of Belize for some time now and probably to other territorial possessions in the Caribbean as well in the face of Cuban aggression. That was all going to cost money, lots of it. Those elements of the British Armed Forces which had fought in the Belize War would need to be rotated out and others brought in. This commitment was going to have to be made less the Guatemalans wait six months or so and come back again, this time making sure any attempt to dislodge them would be far more difficult than it had been the first time around. Groans came from HM Treasury: money, it was always about money. Across back in Central America, as Honduras started on its path to a devastating civil war where left-wing guerrillas suddenly started to get an influx of weapons from abroad, neighbouring El Salvador followed the same course with violence taking place. General Romero was long thought to have a handle on things in his little country. He had replaced the foreign backing removed from the Kennedy Administration with that of other Latin American powers such as Argentina, Chile and Venezuela. Those countries were partners down in South America with (among others) undertaking Operación Cóndor in one giant intelligence cooperation that transcended national borders and ignored the little matters of human rights and the rule of law. Chile was more committed to El Salvador than Argentina was, with Venezuela on the fringes, and it was General Pinochet down in Santiago who was keeping Romero in power (Chile hadn’t had its US aid cut though was pushing the envelope on what it was up to as far as Mondale was concerned). Pinochet foresaw the toppling of dominos after Nicaragua and then Guatemala had been lost to the hated communists. El Salvador was far away, yes, but it was a domino he helped to keep propped up fearing what would come afterwards and downwards towards Chile. Forced disappearances and the dropping of bodies over the ocean (Argentina helped with those) were the done thing in recent years. Come late-May and re-entering into the scene was the former US Ambassador to El Salvador, a man fired by the Kennedy Administration in its first days. John Negroponte made a visit to the capital San Salvador. It was unofficial and to do with cultural interests supposedly: he was a private citizen, no longer ambassador nor with the State Department. Cóndor’s involvement with El Salvador and the DINA & SIDE intelligence operatives in the country were linked to his year-long ambassadorship though, one of the primary reasons why Secretary of State Mondale had been fast to get rid of him. Negroponte arrived in San Salvador, met with Romero and other Salvadorans, supposedly innocent meetings though all held in secret as Negroponte wasn’t declared to be in-country, and then went to out to dinner with some friends from Argentina and Chile. He never made the dinner. Gunfire raked his car and killed him plus the DINA-supplied bodyguards for this private citizen. Someone had talked and someone had decided to act. Pinochet would have the Salvadorans crack down in response, not so much for Negroponte nor his own intelligence agents, but because the rebels in El Salvador had put their head above the parapet. And what would follow would be the Salvador Civil War, one to make the one starting in Honduras, and others preceding it elsewhere in Latin America, look innocent in comparison. Hondurans and Salvador rebels would be getting overt help from Cuba within months to follow the covert support. Kennedy was briefed on the Negroponte assassination afterwards. As said, Negroponte was now a private citizen. He’d been cleared out of the State Department by Mondale just as others had been banished from Langley by his appointment as Director of Central Intelligence in the form of Cyrus Vance. Vance came to the White House and met with the president in addition to both Mondale and National Security Adviser Admiral Stansfield Turner. Negroponte’s targeted killing, made so openly, was important enough to have such a meeting of these men with the president. However, Kennedy was distracted at that time. He heard what they said about the possibility (it turned out to be the reality) of mass unrest in El Salvador, but didn’t follow the line of thinking as to how it all would go. How could the death of one, unimportant man change things like his top officials said it would? He didn’t see it. He didn’t think it all possible about those dominos. That distraction was foremost in his mind anyway: a front-page story in the supermarket tabloid the National Enquirer. That rag, a hive of muck-raking gutter journalism in his opinion, had been on his back throughout his presidential campaign and into his presidency. There had been Chappaquiddick lies dressed up as new revelations and dark hints that he and his wife were living separate lives. Now, the National Enquirer had a new splash. There was a picture on the cover of the young wife of the current Canadian Prime Minister and allegations that back in the Seventies, Kennedy and Margaret Trudeau (one news wire service had mistakenly said Margaret Thatcher when reporting on the story!) had had an extramarital affair. This was all kicking up quite the domestic storm for him. Wow a lot to process here, a Cuban-British standoff, events happening across Central and South America and a president who had a affair, keep it up James. The whole region is now going to go alight. There will be a lot of red on the map. Lordbyron told me about that affair and I have already have had Kennedy doing the naughty in East Berlin when it is a clear honeytrap. At the right time, when things are going crazy with the Soviets, so much of this will come tumbling out.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 18, 2018 19:28:10 GMT
Wow a lot to process here, a Cuban-British standoff, events happening across Central and South America and a president who had a affair, keep it up James. The whole region is now going to go alight. There will be a lot of red on the map. Lordbyron told me about that affair and I have already have had Kennedy doing the naughty in East Berlin when it is a clear honeytrap. At the right time, when things are going crazy with the Soviets, so much of this will come tumbling out. The Kennedy name except for one will be a name people do not want to be associated with if this is over.
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Post by lukedalton on Mar 18, 2018 20:00:08 GMT
People in allied countries, everywhere and not only in western europe, will not feel very safe with the USA apparently doing nothing while the Soviets are doing more or less whatever they like in theatre that were considered vital for western interest. Very soon even historical ally will begin to act independently and not follow US lead; ironically the most actively anti-URSS will be the eurocommunist in Europe. Frankly i expect that more the situation become tense and more the USA are seen as a not reliable ally, this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_European_Act will be signed some years earlier than OTL and with the add on this organization en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_Union and this time i doubt that even the UK will protest too much or block this initiative
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Post by lordbyron on Mar 18, 2018 20:00:43 GMT
Yeah, JFK has to be turning over in his grave at what Teddy is doing...
Liked the mixup between Trudeau and Thatcher...
Thanks for using the idea, James G...
BTW, good update, and waiting for more...
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Post by lordroel on Mar 18, 2018 20:06:44 GMT
Yeah, JFK has to be turning over in his grave at what Teddy is doing... Liked the mixup between Trudeau and Thatcher... Thanks for using the idea, James G... BTW, good update, and waiting for more... Can you show a link ore something about these rumors lordbyron
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Post by lordbyron on Mar 18, 2018 21:04:32 GMT
Here's a Vanity Fair article about Mrs. Trudeau: www.vanityfair.com/style/2017/11/margaret-trudeaus-long-strange-canadian-tripIn addition to Ted Kennedy, she had affairs with Ryan O'Neal, Jack Nicholson, Bruce Nevins (the Perrier-water heir), and the Rolling Stones' Ron Wood (and, if you believe Keith Richards (1), Mick Jagger, as well; that would be no surprise, given that she was a frequent visitor to Studio 54)... Keep in mind that, during this time, she was going through bipolar disorder (even she didn't know it at the time, IIRC)... (1) Keith Richards spent the 1970s doing a lot of drugs (this isn't my opinion; read his autobiography for more), so take his account with a grain of salt...
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Post by James G on Mar 18, 2018 21:07:58 GMT
Yeah, JFK has to be turning over in his grave at what Teddy is doing... Liked the mixup between Trudeau and Thatcher... Thanks for using the idea, James G... BTW, good update, and waiting for more... I had the Thatcher/Trudeau typo in my notes and thought that it would be amusing for someone to mix it up in a rush. "I did not have sexual relations with THAT woman!" Here's a Vanity Fair article about Mrs. Trudeau: www.vanityfair.com/style/2017/11/margaret-trudeaus-long-strange-canadian-tripIn addition to Ted Kennedy, she had affairs with Ryan O'Neal, Jack Nicholson, Bruce Nevins (the Perrier-water heir), and the Rolling Stones' Ron Wood (and, if you believe Keith Richards (1), Mick Jagger, as well; that would be no surprise, given that she was a frequent visitor to Studio 54)... Keep in mind that, during this time, she was going through bipolar disorder (even she didn't know it at the time, IIRC)... (1) Keith Richards spent the 1970s doing a lot of drugs (this isn't my opinion; read his autobiography for more), so take his account with a grain of salt... I searched for certain proof though with such things the truth is elusive. For the National Enquirer to print it, the story doesn't have to be true.
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Post by James G on Mar 18, 2018 21:11:12 GMT
People in allied countries, everywhere and not only in western europe, will not feel very safe with the USA apparently doing nothing while the Soviets are doing more or less whatever they like in theatre that were considered vital for western interest. Very soon even historical ally will begin to act independently and not follow US lead; ironically the most actively anti-URSS will be the eurocommunist in Europe. Frankly i expect that more the situation become tense and more the USA are seen as a not reliable ally, this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_European_Act will be signed some years earlier than OTL and with the add on this organization en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_Union and this time i doubt that even the UK will protest too much or block this initiative Euro-communists aren't going to be flocking to Moscow's side as the situation heats up though to many a communist is a communist and they'll be associated with Moscow. France's Govt. has communist members. Communists are strong in Spain too. It won't look good to those who don't know / don't care about the difference. The US under Kennedy will only further show how unreliable of an ally it is. The Soviet military pull-out from East Germany (some troops and not exactly going far) will continue in the next update tomorrow and this will only strengthen Kennedy's hand while weakening those from Western Europe who say it is all a façade when it really isn't.
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Post by stevep on Mar 18, 2018 22:36:58 GMT
They could do but while many Chileans hate the dictatorship they hate the Argentinians more and have good defensive borders. With luck the regime might well come a cropper if it attacked Chile although unfortunately that could give the regime in Santiago more prestige. The big down-side of the victory for Britain, more than the additional expense which we can afford if the countries properly run, is that like the Falkland's victory OTL it gives new life to the flagging Thatcher government so we're likely to be stuck with them. Desperate people mean desperate solution and for the argentinian Junta somekind of miracle is needed to continue as the economy and the social unreast has become very problematic; regarding the money needed to step up the British presence in the theatre somekind of Commonwealth/european collaboration can be created so to pool resources together; hell Grenada ITTL can be a commonwealth operation instead of an US one (this will not Kennedy happy, and probably many other americans will think that the British are poaching in their territory). Regarding finding the money for all the military toys and the enlarged committements, well that's the trick, doing a real trimming of the military programms, closing the wastefull one (even if somekind of hindsight or foresight will be necessary) like the SP-70 and the Nimrod Aew once it was clear that a scaling down of the military expense was out of the question during this period, will be a necessity (among other thing). For getting rid of Maggie...well, i fear that the Belize war had done the similar job of the OTL Falkaland war, but better also consider that Labour had done a nice job in destroying their own change with the longest suicide note in history Luke I think there's the resources there but it depends on how their used, or as OTL wasted. Yes Labour was unelectable by this time but I was at the hoping for an alliance breakthrough which could force a hung parliament and serious reform. Something which prompts realistic reform of the labour market but without the excessive imbalance of power that resulted from Thatcher and resultant economic and social decline. However as you say I fear that Belize has done the same job as the Falklands OTL, possibly even stronger since there hasn't been the major naval losses that caused such a storm OTL.
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Post by lukedalton on Mar 19, 2018 0:18:28 GMT
People in allied countries, everywhere and not only in western europe, will not feel very safe with the USA apparently doing nothing while the Soviets are doing more or less whatever they like in theatre that were considered vital for western interest. Very soon even historical ally will begin to act independently and not follow US lead; ironically the most actively anti-URSS will be the eurocommunist in Europe. Frankly i expect that more the situation become tense and more the USA are seen as a not reliable ally, this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_European_Act will be signed some years earlier than OTL and with the add on this organization en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_Union and this time i doubt that even the UK will protest too much or block this initiative Euro-communists aren't going to be flocking to Moscow's side as the situation heats up though to many a communist is a communist and they'll be associated with Moscow. France's Govt. has communist members. Communists are strong in Spain too. It won't look good to those who don't know / don't care about the difference. The US under Kennedy will only further show how unreliable of an ally it is. The Soviet military pull-out from East Germany (some troops and not exactly going far) will continue in the next update tomorrow and this will only strengthen Kennedy's hand while weakening those from Western Europe who say it is all a façade when it really isn't. By this date, the Eurocommunist party and Moscow even if try to mantain a pubblic image of brotherly unity and understanding are in private deeply divided and everybody knows that they don't talk to each other except if really necessary and the time when they supported the URSS in any case are long gone. Frankly British Labour at the moment it's more supportive of Moscow than the three parties you named and i'm very surprised that Berlinguer (secretary of the PCI and one of the biggest leader of the Eurocommunism movement) still breathe. On the other hand, you are right that for many a communist (or a socialist, or a social-democrat, or merely left-leaning) is a communist and will remain an enemy and a Moscow lackey forever; and this enourmous lack of nuance had created a lot of problem at the USA during the OTL cold war and i suppose will do the same here. At least locally (or in this case continentally), the difference is better know...frankly i expect the more thing become complicated the more many parties will see a break up between the moderate/eurocommunist and the hardline/Moscow supporter. Frankly i'm curious to know where the troops are destinated, there is Poland, Middle East and China...unless they want try to avenge Stalin and invade Jugoslavia to bring her back on the URSS side. European reaction to the Soviet redeployment of both conventional and nuclear asset will be a mixed bag, from one side it will diminish tension and many people in Germany will be more relaxed, but on the other side between Poland, Afhganistan, Iran and Belize the communist superpower had showed a lot of aggression lately and there will be a general fear that the newly freed troops will be used in some other place very soon. Sure 'fellow traveler' and 'usefull idiot' will still exist and will praise the ever peace loving URSS move and will preach, vote and march for unilateral disarmament...but i fear that between Moscow previous move and the absence of the american nuclear deployment that was very important to organize a more cohesive anti-nuclear and peace movement, the protest will be much less than OTL
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Post by lordroel on Mar 19, 2018 4:14:41 GMT
Frankly i'm curious to know where the troops are destinated, there is Poland, Middle East and China...unless they want try to avenge Stalin and invade Jugoslavia to bring her back on the URSS side. I think Yugoslavia is already on the road to its demise, so no need to invade them.
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