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Post by stevep on Nov 2, 2018 22:19:13 GMT
James I can't see Britain sending substantial forces westward given how contested the Atlantic is. Unless as I suggested a while back there was an agreement with the US, both to guard such movements and for a.c and supporting resources to be going the other way.
Sounds like Denver has a vital link allowing supplies in and civilians especially to escape. Not quite sure why the US authorities are seeking to stop them doing that given what's been hinted about how bad things are there and every person who escapes is one less than needs supporting inside the near pocket?
Thanks for another update.
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Post by lukedalton on Nov 2, 2018 23:30:43 GMT
nastyness everywhere and postwar things will be troubled in many places...more or less like in postwar europe; in all probability the killing of fellow americans will be put under the proverbial rug or glossed over doing a generalization of collaborators so to not tarnish the legend of the resistance. Oh well another hint that things in Europe will go hot, it will be Sweden? It will be West Germany and co.? In the second case it will mean that the Soviet are too overextended, i know what James had said, but numbers aside, the war in Asia and North America had probably seen the use of the best equipment the Soviet had and a lot has been destroyed, as their men of the special forces (spesnatz and paratroopers)...so the forces in East Europe are neither the best equipped or best trained and a lot of the troops destinated to the first strike to take down critical point are dead or in other place. All that to say that even in case of victory, this will mean going trough the strategic reserve of troops and equipment very quickly and not having time to replenish; and that the force facing France and allies are not the well oiled and precise warmachine that everyone feared but more a blunt weapon that win trough sheer force and numbers (important for the general consequences for the other front)
Frankly if i was in the men in command of the various european forces i will take an hint from 'Red Storm Rising'and launch a preempetive strike in East Germany to destroy as much of aircraft, road, bridge and railways as possible to gain time, while at the same type blow the dust from the old Operazione C3 of Supermarina and launch it at the same time. Naturally if the Soviet don't launch their attack first instead of giving an ultimatum to Europe, yeah difficult but even this politbureau will understand that a fullscale invasion of Western Europe at this stage can bring down the all castle, so at least a though will be given, i'm not particulary optimistic that they will do it naturally, they seem in their own little world and opting for All or Nothing strategy
And now a very important question, how is the food situation in East Europe (RUssia included)? By now food from Western Europe will not come anymore and the last time there were a big famine in time of war had not gone well for the goverment of Mother Russia.
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Post by stevep on Nov 3, 2018 14:16:42 GMT
nastyness everywhere and postwar things will be troubled in many places...more or less like in postwar europe; in all probability the killing of fellow americans will be put under the proverbial rug or glossed over doing a generalization of collaborators so to not tarnish the legend of the resistance. Oh well another hint that things in Europe will go hot, it will be Sweden? It will be West Germany and co.? In the second case it will mean that the Soviet are too overextended, i know what James had said, but numbers aside, the war in Asia and North America had probably seen the use of the best equipment the Soviet had and a lot has been destroyed, as their men of the special forces (spesnatz and paratroopers)...so the forces in East Europe are neither the best equipped or best trained and a lot of the troops destinated to the first strike to take down critical point are dead or in other place. All that to say that even in case of victory, this will mean going trough the strategic reserve of troops and equipment very quickly and not having time to replenish; and that the force facing France and allies are not the well oiled and precise warmachine that everyone feared but more a blunt weapon that win trough sheer force and numbers (important for the general consequences for the other front) Frankly if i was in the men in command of the various european forces i will take an hint from 'Red Storm Rising'and launch a preempetive strike in East Germany to destroy as much of aircraft, road, bridge and railways as possible to gain time, while at the same type blow the dust from the old Operazione C3 of Supermarina and launch it at the same time. Naturally if the Soviet don't launch their attack first instead of giving an ultimatum to Europe, yeah difficult but even this politbureau will understand that a fullscale invasion of Western Europe at this stage can bring down the all castle, so at least a though will be given, i'm not particulary optimistic that they will do it naturally, they seem in their own little world and opting for All or Nothing strategy And now a very important question, how is the food situation in East Europe (RUssia included)? By now food from Western Europe will not come anymore and the last time there were a big famine in time of war had not gone well for the goverment of Mother Russia.
Luke
That last one could be a very good point in terms of the stability and reliability of the satellites. They did have large agricultural sectors but generally inefficient collectivised ones and James did mention early on about some sort of ecological collapse in the Crimean. We know that the Soviets were trying to get a food for oil deal and the neutrals refusing and N America or ANZ definitely aren't selling them any so it could become a problem. However if the autumn 84 harvest, which was pre-war was OK it might not show up until autumn 85 in terms of actual hunger. However could have a lot of farmers worried about planting and the like with a lot of men and machinery conscripted and possibly growing rumours in some cities about impending problems.
I think they would be best to avoid a pre-emptive strike as it would make it politically more difficult for the allies to support them and more dangerously might prompt a strong reaction from the Soviets. Definitely a lot of chemicals and quite possibly some nukes. Plus it would probably be difficult to sell to some of the bloc members and would be a propaganda boost for the Soviets.
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Post by James G on Nov 4, 2018 16:50:57 GMT
James I can't see Britain sending substantial forces westward given how contested the Atlantic is. Unless as I suggested a while back there was an agreement with the US, both to guard such movements and for a.c and supporting resources to be going the other way.
Sounds like Denver has a vital link allowing supplies in and civilians especially to escape. Not quite sure why the US authorities are seeking to stop them doing that given what's been hinted about how bad things are there and every person who escapes is one less than needs supporting inside the near pocket?
Thanks for another update.
Steve
Yeah, it is looking increasingly impossible from a logistic point of view. Supplying the small 14th Brigade (much of that came from what was pre-war in Alberta) is one thing, a multi-divisional heavy corps is quite something else. The Atlantic is still contested too. Plus, the mainland European issue is getting worrying as we shall soon see. The gap in the siege lines is for military use and dangerous. The official position is civilians shouldn't use it but they aren't being stopped. Other civilians likewise were told going over the mountains - where that fighting is too - is dangerous and closed but they still went. Denver isn't Stalingrad and civilians fighting are volunteers - again discouraged unless they are organised - rather than forced to. It is just the issue that a warzone is no place for civilians and the gap in the lines is somewhere on the frontlines. nastyness everywhere and postwar things will be troubled in many places...more or less like in postwar europe; in all probability the killing of fellow americans will be put under the proverbial rug or glossed over doing a generalization of collaborators so to not tarnish the legend of the resistance. Oh well another hint that things in Europe will go hot, it will be Sweden? It will be West Germany and co.? In the second case it will mean that the Soviet are too overextended, i know what James had said, but numbers aside, the war in Asia and North America had probably seen the use of the best equipment the Soviet had and a lot has been destroyed, as their men of the special forces (spesnatz and paratroopers)...so the forces in East Europe are neither the best equipped or best trained and a lot of the troops destinated to the first strike to take down critical point are dead or in other place. All that to say that even in case of victory, this will mean going trough the strategic reserve of troops and equipment very quickly and not having time to replenish; and that the force facing France and allies are not the well oiled and precise warmachine that everyone feared but more a blunt weapon that win trough sheer force and numbers (important for the general consequences for the other front) Frankly if i was in the men in command of the various european forces i will take an hint from 'Red Storm Rising'and launch a preempetive strike in East Germany to destroy as much of aircraft, road, bridge and railways as possible to gain time, while at the same type blow the dust from the old Operazione C3 of Supermarina and launch it at the same time. Naturally if the Soviet don't launch their attack first instead of giving an ultimatum to Europe, yeah difficult but even this politbureau will understand that a fullscale invasion of Western Europe at this stage can bring down the all castle, so at least a though will be given, i'm not particulary optimistic that they will do it naturally, they seem in their own little world and opting for All or Nothing strategy And now a very important question, how is the food situation in East Europe (RUssia included)? By now food from Western Europe will not come anymore and the last time there were a big famine in time of war had not gone well for the goverment of Mother Russia. It is a dirty war in many places, one where war crimes happen aplenty. Guerrillas but also US military forces will commit war crimes no matter what official policy is on the matter and afterwards most will be played down apart from the most extreme examples. With Europe, it will be the flanks: Sweden and the Med. NATO ever attacking Eastern Europe is - despite Red Storm Rising being a great book - never something that was going to happen on a political level. It could never be a surprise too. Look at after East Germany fell and how the Stasi had so many spies in East Germany. A French-led mini-NATO, with no pretence of real equality among allies, though maybe just Paris and Rome, could do it... and inform the West Germans / Low Countries as it begins. A Soviet attack the other way would go very far but wouldn't win now, not with Western Europe as ready as it is. There will be morale and political troubles among reservists west of the Iron Curtain but more issues with available top-tier forces on the other side. As I've said before, they would get very far, get stuck, and it would probably go nuclear too. We're not going to see that though, despite fears in the story from some governments that it will occur. I have something else planned. The food issue: a good point, see my explanation below to Steve.
Luke
That last one could be a very good point in terms of the stability and reliability of the satellites. They did have large agricultural sectors but generally inefficient collectivised ones and James did mention early on about some sort of ecological collapse in the Crimean. We know that the Soviets were trying to get a food for oil deal and the neutrals refusing and N America or ANZ definitely aren't selling them any so it could become a problem. However if the autumn 84 harvest, which was pre-war was OK it might not show up until autumn 85 in terms of actual hunger. However could have a lot of farmers worried about planting and the like with a lot of men and machinery conscripted and possibly growing rumours in some cities about impending problems.
I think they would be best to avoid a pre-emptive strike as it would make it politically more difficult for the allies to support them and more dangerously might prompt a strong reaction from the Soviets. Definitely a lot of chemicals and quite possibly some nukes. Plus it would probably be difficult to sell to some of the bloc members and would be a propaganda boost for the Soviets.
Steve
It was in the Ukraine, spreading to Kazakhstan, where the harvest issue began in 1983 and would be worse by 1984... by 1985 it might be sorted but then war mobilisation makes that difficult as you say. Chemical experimentation and massive corruption led to a harvest failure and the poisioning of the land for several years hence. The Soviets covered that up from the West - who had some idea, not the scale though - as they brought food from Western Europe plus South America. All of that has stopped now. Trying to force Western Europe to sell them food for oil has failed as they mishandled it badly by trying intimidation and then using nukes in China like they did which lost them any - not much to start with - goodwill. Western Europe retains the right in this story (from my POV as an author) to strike first though it would be difficult and need something strong to force it through the risk: mushroom clouds over Paris, Frankfurt, Rome and everywhere else if it goes wrong. I have ideas which are soon to play out.
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Post by James G on Nov 4, 2018 16:52:54 GMT
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January 1985: The Great Plains
Any attempt by Nicaraguan troops with their Second Army to follow their revolt last December in the Texan Panhandle with another one come January was snuffed out fast by Soviet measures to eliminate those who they deemed troublemakers beforehand. Anyone who had complaints that they wished to share about a massacre which didn’t happen were taken care of: a bullet or two would do the job. When the Americans broadcast propaganda messages talking about the killing of thousands of Nicaraguan conscripts sent far from home to a war long beyond their homeland, the Soviets spent much effort into jamming those broadcasts where possible and at other times firing either artillery or tactical missiles at the source of them. They couldn’t afford to have another revolt take place. Until Soviet reinforcements could make the journey all the way to the very top of Texas, deep in the Great Plains, the Nicaraguans were needed to hold the frontlines against the Americans. The KGB was active in this suppression of a second revolt and gave assurances that their measures would work. Not daring to challenge the Chekists on this, the Central Front commander still moved extra forces to the region due to clear signs that the Americans were going to try to take advantage. Soviet forces were moved in too, not those of any of their supposed allies. An anti-tank battalion was dispatched to the area around Plainview with the towed guns & mobile missile-launchers placed in rear-area key points to stop any enemy breakthrough made. Several batteries removed from artillery battalions elsewhere were dispatched to the area where the Nicaraguan Second Army was positioned with the heavy guns there to support those on the frontlines. Air units elsewhere received no order to move and stayed where they were, but were given tasking orders to support the Nicaraguans too. None of this fire support was going to be enough though. Soviet reconnaissance efforts spotted American preparations to make a limited attack and so troops were needed. The only available troops were light ones but they would have to do: the 40th Landing-assault Brigade, the airmobile troops who’d won victory down in Panama back in September, were sent to the region as well to plug the gap in the lines where all those now-dead Nicaraguans had been positioned before.
Texan national guardsmen in tanks and armoured personnel carriers, the 56th Cavalry Brigade, had had to wait before they would move forward again but when given the word come January 5th, they were unleashed. They shot forward, racing towards Plainview when approaching the town from the northwest. Nicaraguan defences were smashed apart and the Texans couldn’t be held. Their attack ignored the area where they had previously opened up a now-filled gap. The arrival of those Soviet troops had been observed: why fight a strong opponent when a weaker one is sitting in front of you? Linking Dimmitt (where the 56th Brigade started their attack from) and Plainview was a good road running alongside a railway line and the course of that was followed. Those Soviet anti-tank units were present and caused some trouble (shells from hidden T-12 anti-tank guns scored some great hits upon M-60A3 tanks) yet as the Americans moved off-road rather than along it directly, these could be dealt with once identified when air support attacked such defences from above. Within two days, Plainview was reached. The Texans got there ahead of a brigade of the 101st Air Assault Infantry Division – part of the US XVIII Corps too – which moved down directly from the north. Nicaraguan troops in Plainview were refused permission to withdraw and stood their ground. They thus died where they stood. Later Soviet attempts to force open what they regarded as the Texan’s open flank came to nought. Their 40th Brigade was unable to get forward effectively with the light troops not being able to pack enough punch. After Plainview, the XVIII Corps was unable to move further forward for now as the attached units didn’t have fuel nor other supplies to go ahead any more: it had only been planned as a limited offensive due to these constraints. They had done enough for now though, smashing apart the right wing of the Second Army for good. There were some Nicaraguans over to the west, on the edges of New Mexico, but their whole previous position in the Texan Panhandle was fatally destroyed. The Soviets withdrew their men to the south in the hope that they could block a drive down to Lubbock come next month if stronger forces didn’t arrive in time yet that couldn’t be guaranteed.
Nicaraguan POWs were meanwhile moved northwards after the battle. They walked northwards towards Amarillo, finally seeing that city which they had previously been tasked to take yet had failed to. Along the way, while under guard from US military police units, the Americans observed outbreaks of violence among the captives. They had previously been searched and weapons removed yet some had hidden knives and other sharp objectives. These were used to kill others. At first glance, the infighting seemed odd. Officers and enlisted men were kept separate and there were no identified political officers among the groups of conscripts where murders occurred. Upon investigation, it was discovered that Hondurans and Salvadorans among the Nicaraguans had been killed by the latter. The men had all been assumed to be Nicaraguans by their captors but they weren’t and there were long-standing nationalistic issues dealt with brutally. The MPs themselves cared little about this and worried only about keeping the men from escaping. Others later on, those in psychological operations roles and propaganda teams, would try to exploit this for the overall war effort where nationalistic divisions could be played upon in a bigger manner.
The fighting over to the west in theory effected the wide flank of the Soviet Twenty–Eighth Army as that hinged upon where the Nicaraguans were upstream along the course of the Red River which separated Texas from Oklahoma. However, the distances were still quite something and the terrain – empty of any major population centres with few east-west communications and full of dry grasslands & barren canyons – didn’t favour as strike from the US XVIII Corps to roll up the Soviets from the side even if they had the strength, which they didn’t, to make such a move. The Twenty–Eighth Army could remain focused on the American forces over in Oklahoma and also those outside the extensive Dallas–Fort Worth area on the edges of the Great Plains. Troops from the Seventh US Army, primarily those from Europe, had brought the Twenty–Eighth Army’s offensive last year to a halt and continued to hold the ground which they had firmly within their grasp. Altus, Davidson, Burkburnett, Gainesville and Sanger were all battles of last year. That series of defeats at those points were all supposed to be in the past. Soviets plans were for the Twenty–Eighth Army to be moved out of the frontlines in the next couple of months and be replaced by the Seventh Tank Army, which would renew the attack once it was fully assembled on Texan soil after the long journey of its equipment and supplies (the men were flown across separately) from overseas. They’d be going into Oklahoma and onwards into Kansas… that was the plan anyway. Before then, the forces already here were to hold their ground and keep the Americans at bay.
The Seventh Army wasn’t going to do as the Soviets wanted them to do and remain inactive ahead of the incoming attack in the Spring. Overcoming the Burkburnett bridgehead across the Red River wasn’t possible but it was made useless as a springboard for any further attacks. Through January, engineering teams covered the Oklahoma side of the river near and far from where the Soviets had their toes over on the northern side with a mass of minefields and anti-tank ditches. There was a lot of thought put into this so that Soviets, when on the attack again, could be channelled into kill-zones and stuck in them where they could be blasted. Away to the southwest, where the Soviets had been stopped from getting behind Dallas–Fort Worth, and the Americans feared that they would again because they didn’t know how exactly the enemy planned to use newly-arriving forces, the same was done here in Texas. There was work done to prepare demolitions to blow lake and river embankments to bring flooding to more stretches of ground to further slow up an attack. The defensive measures were one thing, striking back at the occupiers of American territory on the other side of the static frontlines was to be done as well.
Passing through the positions of the 8th Infantry Division located around Gainesville, the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment conducted a raid in mid-January. The Blackhorse Cav’ raced forward, smashing through Soviet lines and deep into their rear before looping back around and coming back to American lines afterwards. They spent three days rolling across occupied territory. The regiment was stripped down for this mission, moving with only what was needed and taking with it no extra baggage. The whole thing was pre-planned though with built-in flexibility to allow for unexpected problems. Those cropped up. There were Soviet forces where there weren’t meant to be and then enemy aircraft showed up to first try to cut their line of advance then afterwards hit their retreat too. The purpose of the raid was to tear apart the rear areas of the Twenty–Eighth Army. This was done by going towards supply dumps, vehicle maintenance parks and communication sites. When reached, such places were shot up and Soviet troops who sought to fight were shot down. The Blackhorse Cav’ had to keep moving for the mission to succeed. This meant that they couldn’t take prisoners. Shooting those who surrendered wasn’t done – despite the temptation – and instead they were stripped of weapons and secured in-place while the Americans moved on. That was unless there were ‘special circumstances’ though: field court martials for violating the laws of war occurred among enemy officers suspected of committing war crimes. Many of those tied-up prisoners they left behind were shot afterwards though with some slain by guerrillas who came across them – a rare opportunity to get revenge for injustices suffered, damn the later consequences – and others later by KGB teams who accused the men of cowardice in the face of the enemy. Dragging the fuel and ammunition needed for the mission with them had to be done by those involved. The Blackhorse Cav’ was met by some specially-tasked CH-47 Chinooks on a couple of occasions which flew in some key supplies but air supply like this was infeasible for the whole mission. Guarding their own supplies on the move was taxing and so to was dealing with their own wounded while underway. Pre-mission planning for these tasks saw serious issues crop up in the field. Thankfully it was only a three-day mission: if it had been longer, these matters could have crippled the Blackhorse Cav’. Abandoned vehicles were left behind during their raid and destroyed less they be of any use to the Soviets. Some took battle damage yet others broke down despite all the pre-mission work done to make sure it wouldn’t happen. A couple of helicopters were also left behind. The air squadron attached to the regiment, complete with AH-1F Cobra gunships as well as UH-1 Huey and UH-60 Blackhawks, came along on the raid. They hopped from landing site to landing site, locations with changed all the time. This led to some major issues for the field maintenance of them and the near-impossibility of giving anything more than a patch-up to battle damage. However, having them along on the mission, giving the closest of all close air support was invaluable. Without them providing top cover, the scouting elements of the Blackhorse Cav’ would have missed the enemy many times.
The raid was considered a great success by the US VII Corps and the Seventh Army too. The reports which came back from the field and then reaction observed from a distance when it came to the Soviets showed that this had been worth it. The Blackhorse Cav’ had taken heavy casualties – the regimental commander among them unfortunately – but done what was asked of it in disrupting the Soviets greatly from launching any spoiling attack ahead of the planned late-February American offensives (there hadn’t been that intention but the Americans had assumed they could). From the Soviet point of view, panic had come when the Americans had done as they had for it was feared that the whole VII Corps was going over on the offensive when all the intelligence said that it was unable to. By the time they realised what was going on, that if possible they could catch a unit such as the 11th Cavalry Regiment should they move their forces around, the Americans were heading back to their own lines. Next time they would be ready, that being if there was a next time.
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Post by stevep on Nov 4, 2018 17:15:18 GMT
James So some ideas on how this ends and sounds like it could be the key moment will be soon. The Soviets seem rather dependent on those two convoys which have reached the Caribbean and wondering if the US has any ideas for stopping/delaying or at least further damaging forces. Does seem like the rest of the Soviet forces in NA are faltering and the LAComs are possibly on their last legs
Rather surprised that the defence of the continent has declined less than the Soviet/Pact forces facing them but going with what you say. Possibly Britain while taking a battering has done more than I realised in pegging back some of the Soviet air power.
Have to see what you come up with. Looking forward to finding out although hope its good for the allies and preferably pretty quickly.
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Post by lukedalton on Nov 4, 2018 20:59:19 GMT
James So some ideas on how this ends and sounds like it could be the key moment will be soon. The Soviets seem rather dependent on those two convoys which have reached the Caribbean and wondering if the US has any ideas for stopping/delaying or at least further damaging forces. Does seem like the rest of the Soviet forces in NA are faltering and the LAComs are possibly on their last legs
Rather surprised that the defence of the continent has declined less than the Soviet/Pact forces facing them but going with what you say. Possibly Britain while taking a battering has done more than I realised in pegging back some of the Soviet air power.
Have to see what you come up with. Looking forward to finding out although hope its good for the allies and preferably pretty quickly.
Steve
Me not really, even the URSS don't have infinite resources and the war in China and North America has been 5 months long by now and modern warfare swallow a lot of ammunition and put much stress in the various equipment (this mean lot of spare parts to keep them efficient). Not considering the various combat loss of both men and vehicles and great use of special forces, the possible attack at Sweden will probably see the STAVKA litterly scrap the bottom of the barrel to found paratroopers and speznatz (at least if they don't pull them from other places) and the Soviet Navy had take a seriously beaten till now and the coming battle in the Mediterrean can become a phyrric victory if they sustain too much loss. And all that don't include the damage at the economy and industrial production due to the various nuclear attack and food situation. To cite Londo Mollari in Babylon 5: only a stupid fight a two front war and only the heir of the kingdom of the stupid fight a twelve front war
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Post by lordroel on Nov 5, 2018 4:10:39 GMT
(280)January 1985: The Great Plains Any attempt by Nicaraguan troops with their Second Army to follow their revolt last December in the Texan Panhandle with another one come January was snuffed out fast by Soviet measures to eliminate those who they deemed troublemakers beforehand. Anyone who had complaints that they wished to share about a massacre which didn’t happen were taken care of: a bullet or two would do the job. When the Americans broadcast propaganda messages talking about the killing of thousands of Nicaraguan conscripts sent far from home to a war long beyond their homeland, the Soviets spent much effort into jamming those broadcasts where possible and at other times firing either artillery or tactical missiles at the source of them. They couldn’t afford to have another revolt take place. Until Soviet reinforcements could make the journey all the way to the very top of Texas, deep in the Great Plains, the Nicaraguans were needed to hold the frontlines against the Americans. The KGB was active in this suppression of a second revolt and gave assurances that their measures would work. Not daring to challenge the Chekists on this, the Central Front commander still moved extra forces to the region due to clear signs that the Americans were going to try to take advantage. Soviet forces were moved in too, not those of any of their supposed allies. An anti-tank battalion was dispatched to the area around Plainview with the towed guns & mobile missile-launchers placed in rear-area key points to stop any enemy breakthrough made. Several batteries removed from artillery battalions elsewhere were dispatched to the area where the Nicaraguan Second Army was positioned with the heavy guns there to support those on the frontlines. Air units elsewhere received no order to move and stayed where they were, but were given tasking orders to support the Nicaraguans too. None of this fire support was going to be enough though. Soviet reconnaissance efforts spotted American preparations to make a limited attack and so troops were needed. The only available troops were light ones but they would have to do: the 40th Landing-assault Brigade, the airmobile troops who’d won victory down in Panama back in September, were sent to the region as well to plug the gap in the lines where all those now-dead Nicaraguans had been positioned before. Texan national guardsmen in tanks and armoured personnel carriers, the 56th Cavalry Brigade, had had to wait before they would move forward again but when given the word come January 5th, they were unleashed. They shot forward, racing towards Plainview when approaching the town from the northwest. Nicaraguan defences were smashed apart and the Texans couldn’t be held. Their attack ignored the area where they had previously opened up a now-filled gap. The arrival of those Soviet troops had been observed: why fight a strong opponent when a weaker one is sitting in front of you? Linking Dimmitt (where the 56th Brigade started their attack from) and Plainview was a good road running alongside a railway line and the course of that was followed. Those Soviet anti-tank units were present and caused some trouble (shells from hidden T-12 anti-tank guns scored some great hits upon M-60A3 tanks) yet as the Americans moved off-road rather than along it directly, these could be dealt with once identified when air support attacked such defences from above. Within two days, Plainview was reached. The Texans got there ahead of a brigade of the 101st Air Assault Infantry Division – part of the US XVIII Corps too – which moved down directly from the north. Nicaraguan troops in Plainview were refused permission to withdraw and stood their ground. They thus died where they stood. Later Soviet attempts to force open what they regarded as the Texan’s open flank came to nought. Their 40th Brigade was unable to get forward effectively with the light troops not being able to pack enough punch. After Plainview, the XVIII Corps was unable to move further forward for now as the attached units didn’t have fuel nor other supplies to go ahead any more: it had only been planned as a limited offensive due to these constraints. They had done enough for now though, smashing apart the right wing of the Second Army for good. There were some Nicaraguans over to the west, on the edges of New Mexico, but their whole previous position in the Texan Panhandle was fatally destroyed. The Soviets withdrew their men to the south in the hope that they could block a drive down to Lubbock come next month if stronger forces didn’t arrive in time yet that couldn’t be guaranteed. Nicaraguan POWs were meanwhile moved northwards after the battle. They walked northwards towards Amarillo, finally seeing that city which they had previously been tasked to take yet had failed to. Along the way, while under guard from US military police units, the Americans observed outbreaks of violence among the captives. They had previously been searched and weapons removed yet some had hidden knives and other sharp objectives. These were used to kill others. At first glance, the infighting seemed odd. Officers and enlisted men were kept separate and there were no identified political officers among the groups of conscripts where murders occurred. Upon investigation, it was discovered that Hondurans and Salvadorans among the Nicaraguans had been killed by the latter. The men had all been assumed to be Nicaraguans by their captors but they weren’t and there were long-standing nationalistic issues dealt with brutally. The MPs themselves cared little about this and worried only about keeping the men from escaping. Others later on, those in psychological operations roles and propaganda teams, would try to exploit this for the overall war effort where nationalistic divisions could be played upon in a bigger manner. The fighting over to the west in theory effected the wide flank of the Soviet Twenty–Eighth Army as that hinged upon where the Nicaraguans were upstream along the course of the Red River which separated Texas from Oklahoma. However, the distances were still quite something and the terrain – empty of any major population centres with few east-west communications and full of dry grasslands & barren canyons – didn’t favour as strike from the US XVIII Corps to roll up the Soviets from the side even if they had the strength, which they didn’t, to make such a move. The Twenty–Eighth Army could remain focused on the American forces over in Oklahoma and also those outside the extensive Dallas–Fort Worth area on the edges of the Great Plains. Troops from the Seventh US Army, primarily those from Europe, had brought the Twenty–Eighth Army’s offensive last year to a halt and continued to hold the ground which they had firmly within their grasp. Altus, Davidson, Burkburnett, Gainesville and Sanger were all battles of last year. That series of defeats at those points were all supposed to be in the past. Soviets plans were for the Twenty–Eighth Army to be moved out of the frontlines in the next couple of months and be replaced by the Seventh Tank Army, which would renew the attack once it was fully assembled on Texan soil after the long journey of its equipment and supplies (the men were flown across separately) from overseas. They’d be going into Oklahoma and onwards into Kansas… that was the plan anyway. Before then, the forces already here were to hold their ground and keep the Americans at bay. The Seventh Army wasn’t going to do as the Soviets wanted them to do and remain inactive ahead of the incoming attack in the Spring. Overcoming the Burkburnett bridgehead across the Red River wasn’t possible but it was made useless as a springboard for any further attacks. Through January, engineering teams covered the Oklahoma side of the river near and far from where the Soviets had their toes over on the northern side with a mass of minefields and anti-tank ditches. There was a lot of thought put into this so that Soviets, when on the attack again, could be channelled into kill-zones and stuck in them where they could be blasted. Away to the southwest, where the Soviets had been stopped from getting behind Dallas–Fort Worth, and the Americans feared that they would again because they didn’t know how exactly the enemy planned to use newly-arriving forces, the same was done here in Texas. There was work done to prepare demolitions to blow lake and river embankments to bring flooding to more stretches of ground to further slow up an attack. The defensive measures were one thing, striking back at the occupiers of American territory on the other side of the static frontlines was to be done as well. Passing through the positions of the 8th Infantry Division located around Gainesville, the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment conducted a raid in mid-January. The Blackhorse Cav’ raced forward, smashing through Soviet lines and deep into their rear before looping back around and coming back to American lines afterwards. They spent three days rolling across occupied territory. The regiment was stripped down for this mission, moving with only what was needed and taking with it no extra baggage. The whole thing was pre-planned though with built-in flexibility to allow for unexpected problems. Those cropped up. There were Soviet forces where there weren’t meant to be and then enemy aircraft showed up to first try to cut their line of advance then afterwards hit their retreat too. The purpose of the raid was to tear apart the rear areas of the Twenty–Eighth Army. This was done by going towards supply dumps, vehicle maintenance parks and communication sites. When reached, such places were shot up and Soviet troops who sought to fight were shot down. The Blackhorse Cav’ had to keep moving for the mission to succeed. This meant that they couldn’t take prisoners. Shooting those who surrendered wasn’t done – despite the temptation – and instead they were stripped of weapons and secured in-place while the Americans moved on. That was unless there were ‘special circumstances’ though: field court martials for violating the laws of war occurred among enemy officers suspected of committing war crimes. Many of those tied-up prisoners they left behind were shot afterwards though with some slain by guerrillas who came across them – a rare opportunity to get revenge for injustices suffered, damn the later consequences – and others later by KGB teams who accused the men of cowardice in the face of the enemy. Dragging the fuel and ammunition needed for the mission with them had to be done by those involved. The Blackhorse Cav’ was met by some specially-tasked CH-47 Chinooks on a couple of occasions which flew in some key supplies but air supply like this was infeasible for the whole mission. Guarding their own supplies on the move was taxing and so to was dealing with their own wounded while underway. Pre-mission planning for these tasks saw serious issues crop up in the field. Thankfully it was only a three-day mission: if it had been longer, these matters could have crippled the Blackhorse Cav’. Abandoned vehicles were left behind during their raid and destroyed less they be of any use to the Soviets. Some took battle damage yet others broke down despite all the pre-mission work done to make sure it wouldn’t happen. A couple of helicopters were also left behind. The air squadron attached to the regiment, complete with AH-1F Cobra gunships as well as UH-1 Huey and UH-60 Blackhawks, came along on the raid. They hopped from landing site to landing site, locations with changed all the time. This led to some major issues for the field maintenance of them and the near-impossibility of giving anything more than a patch-up to battle damage. However, having them along on the mission, giving the closest of all close air support was invaluable. Without them providing top cover, the scouting elements of the Blackhorse Cav’ would have missed the enemy many times. The raid was considered a great success by the US VII Corps and the Seventh Army too. The reports which came back from the field and then reaction observed from a distance when it came to the Soviets showed that this had been worth it. The Blackhorse Cav’ had taken heavy casualties – the regimental commander among them unfortunately – but done what was asked of it in disrupting the Soviets greatly from launching any spoiling attack ahead of the planned late-February American offensives (there hadn’t been that intention but the Americans had assumed they could). From the Soviet point of view, panic had come when the Americans had done as they had for it was feared that the whole VII Corps was going over on the offensive when all the intelligence said that it was unable to. By the time they realised what was going on, that if possible they could catch a unit such as the 11th Cavalry Regiment should they move their forces around, the Americans were heading back to their own lines. Next time they would be ready, that being if there was a next time. Another fine update James.
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Post by stevep on Nov 5, 2018 9:13:32 GMT
James So some ideas on how this ends and sounds like it could be the key moment will be soon. The Soviets seem rather dependent on those two convoys which have reached the Caribbean and wondering if the US has any ideas for stopping/delaying or at least further damaging forces. Does seem like the rest of the Soviet forces in NA are faltering and the LAComs are possibly on their last legs
Rather surprised that the defence of the continent has declined less than the Soviet/Pact forces facing them but going with what you say. Possibly Britain while taking a battering has done more than I realised in pegging back some of the Soviet air power.
Have to see what you come up with. Looking forward to finding out although hope its good for the allies and preferably pretty quickly.
Steve
Me not really, even the URSS don't have infinite resources and the war in China and North America has been 5 months long by now and modern warfare swallow a lot of ammunition and put much stress in the various equipment (this mean lot of spare parts to keep them efficient). Not considering the various combat loss of both men and vehicles and great use of special forces, the possible attack at Sweden will probably see the STAVKA litterly scrap the bottom of the barrel to found paratroopers and speznatz (at least if they don't pull them from other places) and the Soviet Navy had take a seriously beaten till now and the coming battle in the Mediterrean can become a phyrric victory if they sustain too much loss. And all that don't include the damage at the economy and industrial production due to the various nuclear attack and food situation. To cite Londo Mollari in Babylon 5: only a stupid fight a two front war and only the heir of the kingdom of the stupid fight a twelve front war
Yes the Soviets have suffered losses, although most of those in China have been from Asian based forces. Some crack units have suffered losses in NA and two armies are on the way but the Soviets still have a lot left as the LAComs did a lot of the heavy lifting. Also their WP allies, if they prove reliable, are largely untouched. What their probably down on is largely speznatz which are less relevant against a fully prepared opponent and more importantly a lot of air power. Also possibly problems with the economy growing because of the military commitments.
On the other hand the bloc is weaker because of the lack of the allied powers, both those that were based there pre-war and those that would have reinforced if they had honoured their treaty commitments. Also their having problems from prolonged economic disruption and moblising of reserves while they have problems with disruption of world trade, most especially in oil.
If the Soviets did attack the bloc then they might well be stalled but if its on the Rhine as James suggests its going to be costly for both sides. Sounds like your considering that the bloc will continue to stay outside the war if there is an attack on Sweden because you think the Soviets won't be able to go much further so they can continue to watch the war from the sidelines and enjoy their free ride?
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Post by James G on Nov 5, 2018 21:59:08 GMT
James So some ideas on how this ends and sounds like it could be the key moment will be soon. The Soviets seem rather dependent on those two convoys which have reached the Caribbean and wondering if the US has any ideas for stopping/delaying or at least further damaging forces. Does seem like the rest of the Soviet forces in NA are faltering and the LAComs are possibly on their last legs
Rather surprised that the defence of the continent has declined less than the Soviet/Pact forces facing them but going with what you say. Possibly Britain while taking a battering has done more than I realised in pegging back some of the Soviet air power.
Have to see what you come up with. Looking forward to finding out although hope its good for the allies and preferably pretty quickly.
Steve
My ideas on an ending are still up in the air but it will be a combination of suggestions made! They need those convoys. Their 'allies' are tapped out and so the reinforcement & resupply has to get through. With Western Europe, when mobilised France/WG/Italy/NE/BEL can put a lot into the battle and the Soviets have weakened their set-up. Still, there is a massive force there which could go very far forward. The missing Americans, more than the Brits and Canadians, brought so much to the table when it came to NATO. Britain has its army and a strong one now with all its additions but the RAF and RN have been hurt. The end shall come eventually. Me not really, even the URSS don't have infinite resources and the war in China and North America has been 5 months long by now and modern warfare swallow a lot of ammunition and put much stress in the various equipment (this mean lot of spare parts to keep them efficient). Not considering the various combat loss of both men and vehicles and great use of special forces, the possible attack at Sweden will probably see the STAVKA litterly scrap the bottom of the barrel to found paratroopers and speznatz (at least if they don't pull them from other places) and the Soviet Navy had take a seriously beaten till now and the coming battle in the Mediterrean can become a phyrric victory if they sustain too much loss. And all that don't include the damage at the economy and industrial production due to the various nuclear attack and food situation. To cite Londo Mollari in Babylon 5: only a stupid fight a two front war and only the heir of the kingdom of the stupid fight a twelve front war Every modern war we have seen has witnessed the massive strain on logisitics and armaments. The Soviets are manufacturing stuff but need to get it overseas to North America and China through enemy forces and also radioactive holes too. Not easy. The Sweden and Gibraltar fights, done simultaneously, will be very costly. redrobin65 did a list a while back of all of the MANY theatres of operation for the Soviets: I am sure it was past twelve! Another fine update James. Thank you kindy, Admiral.
Yes the Soviets have suffered losses, although most of those in China have been from Asian based forces. Some crack units have suffered losses in NA and two armies are on the way but the Soviets still have a lot left as the LAComs did a lot of the heavy lifting. Also their WP allies, if they prove reliable, are largely untouched. What their probably down on is largely speznatz which are less relevant against a fully prepared opponent and more importantly a lot of air power. Also possibly problems with the economy growing because of the military commitments.
On the other hand the bloc is weaker because of the lack of the allied powers, both those that were based there pre-war and those that would have reinforced if they had honoured their treaty commitments. Also their having problems from prolonged economic disruption and moblising of reserves while they have problems with disruption of world trade, most especially in oil.
If the Soviets did attack the bloc then they might well be stalled but if its on the Rhine as James suggests its going to be costly for both sides. Sounds like your considering that the bloc will continue to stay outside the war if there is an attack on Sweden because you think the Soviets won't be able to go much further so they can continue to watch the war from the sidelines and enjoy their free ride?
Oh, what they've lost in China was east of the Urals based forces but by now the western forces are arriving and China is a bloodbath still. The Soviets do have a huge force but moving it overseas is the issue. Special forces, paratroopers, naval infantry and air power has all been committed on a massive scale but there are all those tanks/infantry/artillery which would tear through an enemy in a slow but effective fighting steamroller if used. Sweden, more than anything else, will be the issue which turns over the Western Europeans as it is too much. We'll see how that goes in the coming weeks.
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Post by James G on Nov 5, 2018 22:02:07 GMT
Microsoft Word updated itself in the middle of my writing tonight and swallowed a few thousand words. A polite F-YOU to Microsoft comes from me in response. I re-wrote and changed what I had after my anger went. I can't show both examples. There is only the second and its unanswered end (the first had no such open finish; I thing this works better anyway).
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Post by James G on Nov 5, 2018 22:03:10 GMT
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January 1985: The Coastal Plain and the Gulf Coast
General Schwarzkopf found out about the raid by the Blackhorse Cav’ after the event. His V Corps was with the Third US Army; that raid had been conducted by a VII Corps formation under the Seventh US Army. Operational security kept knowledge tightly-controlled with only those who needed to know being told. Aircraft from the Sixteenth US Air Force – broken away from the huge and unwieldy Twelfth Air Force starting New Year’s Day – which usually supported the Third Army were tasked to help get the Blackhorse Cav’ back out from behind enemy lines as part of a big air intervention and this led to Schwarzkopf being informed once it was all over. He would have wanted to have conducted a similar mission with his own troops. The V Corps’ assigned Cav’ element was the 278th Armored Cavalry Regiment (the ‘Third Tennessee’, from the Volunteer State) and those were good soldiers. They were needed where they were though, supporting the 5th & 24th Infantry Divisions on the frontlines where Schwarzkopf’s command held its sliver of East Texas. To be honest, even if they weren’t needed there, Schwarzkopf couldn’t have sent them on a mission like that. They weren’t as well-trained nor as best equipped as the Blackhorse Cav’ was: that was a cold hard truth, something not to be sugar-coated. If such a raid by the V Corps was going to be done, it would have to be by regular troops with more training than the Third Tennessee had ever received before the war and with a unit not as beat-up in war as the 278th Regiment was. To go into Texas properly, to liberate American soil there held by the Soviets and their allies rather than just raid it, was what the V Corps was getting ready for. There was a lot of ‘hurry up and wait’ about it for the men involved, but plans were afoot for the US Army to do just that. Schwarzkopf and his men would be doing just that soon enough.
From Texas Command, word had initially come down that at the end of February there would come the long-awaited big offensive. The time ticked away towards that and through January, Schwarzkopf realised that the timescale was going to slip. He was privately told by his immediate superior at the head of the Third Army that it would be the beginning of March rather than the end of February. Regardless of that delay (still not official), the V Corps would be at the heart of that offensive. Beginning over the Christmas period and through this month, the V Corps received significant resupply and issuing of replacement equipment. It wasn’t enough, nothing was ever enough for Schwarzkopf who wanted more tanks and more heavy guns, though what came through was higher than any of the two other corps – both full national guard units rather than part regular / part reservist like his was – with the Third Army received. Moreover, before the V Corps took part in the offensive, Schwarzkopf was due to see the arrival of newly-raised reinforcements to his command. Both the 14th Armored Cavalry Regiment and the 6th Armored Division would be assigned. They were part of the Army of the United States, formed up from volunteers and conscripts who started their training to turn them from civilians to soldiers at the beginning of October. That process was supposed to have taken a minimum of six months. Schwarzkopf could count. October, November, December, January, February… that was five months, not six. A month – even more as far as the early information about late February had been concerned – had been knocked off that and the ARUS was a lot smaller than at first planned. There had been many, many issues raising those new forces in terms of issuing them equipment and then that time had been knocked off their training. Unlike veterans and reservists, those soldiers were all green the day they reported for basic training. Schwarzkopf would be getting those green soldiers though and taking them to war. Both of those units were moved through January down to Folk Polk in Louisiana from where they’d first been raised up and down the Eastern Seaboard. They came to Louisiana to conduct their final training and were joined by equipment in an ongoing process which aggravated him with how painfully slow it was. He made several visits to Fort Polk and witnessed their training. Some of what he saw he was impressed with, other bits not so much. They would be going to war under Schwarzkopf’s command soon and would be his responsibility. He hoped to take them all the way to the Rio Grande though was painfully aware that many of them wouldn’t make it that far. A soldier and a commanding general, Schwarzkopf would do everything he could to keep them and the rest of his men alive. He’d do damn well all that he could. Whether it would be enough though was something that he could only pray it would be.
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The two Soviet convoys which had made it across the North Atlantic entered the Caribbean at the end of 1984 and set course for Texas. There were a few ships which broke away for the Caribbean islands under Cuban occupation, ones shot-up and just making it across the ocean, but the rest were heading for Galveston, Freeport, Corpus Christi and Brownsville. The race was on to not just reach those ports along the Gulf of Mexico coastline through South Texas, but successfully unload their cargoes there all before the Americans could stop this from taking place.
The best solution for the United States at this point would have been four – no, eight: two each – tactical nukes. The harbour facilities at each of those locations, already mangled by war damage, could have been once and for all put out of operation even with low-yield blasts used. Civilian casualties would have been ghastly though, to be brutally blunt, acceptable in the grand scheme of things. A nuclear strike was considered. Planning was done and projections made on damage, casualties and fallout. But then planning for nuclear strikes all over the theatre of operations was conducted on a regular basis and arguments were put forth to the politicians at the head of the US Government for both their use and the non-use of such weapons. Glenn wasn’t prepared to order it. American nuclear weapons hadn’t been used on American soil (the Soviets had done enough damage with their own) and the president said that they wouldn’t be used at his direction. He wouldn’t reconsider the matter, he wouldn’t budge on the issue. This was a conventional fight and it would have to be fought without nuclear weapons despite them being used – very effectively – by the opposing sides at the beginning of the war.
Convoy #1 passed around Cuba to the south and went past Jamaica and the Cayman Islands before crossing the Yucatán Channel to enter the Gulf of Mexico. Five to six days sailing time behind, Convoy #2 also headed for South Texas via the Yucatán Channel which separated Cuba from Mexico after crossing the width of the Caribbean. The Americans threw everything at them on the way, everything that they could considering how the Soviets had directed their shipping to stay as far away from danger as much as possible and also protected it. Aircraft flying from Florida had to avoid Soviet and Cuban forces in Cuba and that was no easy task: still they made attack missions in the face of interceptors climbing out of the battered island in the way. American submarines active in the Caribbean faced a major anti-submarine effort from warships, land-based naval air power and Soviet submarines. Likewise, they too went after the two convoys while they were on their way across the Caribbean bound for the Gulf of Mexico. The US Navy lost submarines (a pair of them) like the US Air Force lost aircraft when going after the convoys. However, hits were made on shipping. Some vessels were sunk and others were damaged enough to have to be fast put into harbour either in Cuba or Mexico where cargo could be salvaged less be lost at sea. The rest moved onwards though, pushed onwards when bombs, missiles, torpedoes and minefield came their way. This was all the preamble though, the real drama started along the Gulf Coast.
B-52s – BUFFs: Big Ugly Fat F**kers – launched cruise missiles at the four ports before the ships arrived, during their unloading and afterwards as the cargo was moved off. All those AGM-86 cruise missiles which never got nuclear warheads and SAC had sulked about under the Kennedy Administration showed their usefulness in mass conventional attacks. The B-52s were either over Mexico, after taking the Pacific routing (California > Baja > north-central Mexico), or above the Gulf of Mexico with shorter flights and shooting them off twelve or twenty at a time. FB-111s and even some of the stealth F-117s joined in, getting in closer to hit the targeted port facilities with laser-guided bombs. A good proportion of those cruise missiles and smart bombs were used for taking down air defences though and they didn’t always do their job. Soviet fighters came up as well, taking shots at the bombers and the incoming cruise missiles too.
In earlier B-52 runs, made with solo aircraft over the Gulf of Mexico, the bombers had dropped a different kind of cargo which came into play only when the mass of Soviet shipping arrived. Mk.60 CAPTOR mines had been laid, more smart weapons. The mines sat on the surface off the Texan coastline with onboard computers at work sorting targets that mounted hydrophones detected. When a valid and also valuable target came within range, the CAPTOR turned from a mine into a torpedo-launcher and shot off a Mk.46 torpedo towards it. The CAPTOR was a fine weapon though one which could – if done correctly – be fooled, especially since the Soviets had their hands on several of these weapons for earlier analysis after capturing several examples. The majority of the fired torpedoes ‘got’ their targets. However, not all of those were real as the Soviets made extensive use of decoys due to the known threat.
Galveston first and then Freeport afterwards were hit with special forces attacks. US Navy SEALs struck at Galveston, transported in armed speedboats racing from out of hidden sites on the Louisiana coast. The boats provided fire support with machine guns, grenade launchers and even long-distance flame-throwers while the SEALs made a ‘noisy’ attack on the port. Stealth had been used in their approach; when the struck they put to use maximum violence in blowing things up and hitting ships. At Freeport, the harbour served the Dow Chemical plant in peacetime though since capturing the port (the chemical works had been devastated by American demolitions; what a clean-up that would need) the Soviets had been using it as a landing site for ships from Cuba, bringing in military equipment earlier in the war before Cuba was left empty of all that was there pre-war. A Ranger team had been parachuted inland nearby and made an assault on the landward-facing defences. Cuban and Mexican troops had previously engaged guerrillas and had success against them. The Rangers were something else. These men pressed home a major attack and caused a lot of damage before making their escape, one which was then pursued by Soviet armed helicopters and a Spetsnaz team brought into to hunt them down.
The US Navy’s submarine losses out in the Caribbean hurt them but they still had a few more tasked to carry on the fight against so many surface targets. Avoiding anti-submarine warfare efforts was difficult though not impossible. Once inside the protective screen, the shipping there was just a collection of targets. Both torpedoes and Harpoon missiles – launched at short-range to kill any reaction time – were fired. Another submarine was lost yet the final two of what had been five at the start escaped Soviet counter-efforts and followed the convoys into port, shooting at them close to land as well. Off Brownsville, within sight of the shipping canal from the sea to the smashed-up inland port, a Harpoon struck one of the ships that was carrying ammunition and the ‘lucky’ strike set off a chain reaction of explosions. A series of extraordinary large detonations took place where the targeted ship and another caught up in this were left a total wreck: there was even death and destruction caused to South Padre Island too where Soviet coastal defence troops were killed by falling wreckage that came down like the fires of hell upon them.
The wide-ranging attacks against the Soviet convoys went on for almost three weeks when they were at sea and then in port. When queued up ready to be unloaded of their cargos of tanks, guns, munitions and so much else, the ships were easily identified and immobile. This allowed the Soviets to better defend them as well though. American air power did the majority of the port work yet one of those submarines did fire off its last Harpoons against stationary vessels waiting to reach the quayside at Corpus Christi. The Americans ran reconnaissance missions during and after the strikes had taken place. They counted the ships which had been present when entering the Caribbean and then those that made it to port. They observed the damage done during the unloading process and then to the cargo when it came off them before it could be moved away from the bullseye targets which were the ports themselves. The end results were good. Of course, the nuclear attacks which were refused would have done a better job than all of these repeated conventional attacks. They also wouldn’t have seen all the massive loss of men and equipment that the Americans suffered in striking so hard over and over again, using up ammunition at an alarming rate to get the results that they wanted too. Still, the official summary afterwards would claim that forty per cent of the cargo carried on those ships in the two convoys when they entered the Caribbean and headed for the Gulf Coast either went down at sea or was destroyed on the quayside. Forty per cent was a big number though, naturally, not one hundred per cent which the US Army would have wanted to have seen.
The Soviets had a different number to put on this all.
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Post by stevep on Nov 6, 2018 10:46:20 GMT
James So some ideas on how this ends and sounds like it could be the key moment will be soon. The Soviets seem rather dependent on those two convoys which have reached the Caribbean and wondering if the US has any ideas for stopping/delaying or at least further damaging forces. Does seem like the rest of the Soviet forces in NA are faltering and the LAComs are possibly on their last legs
Rather surprised that the defence of the continent has declined less than the Soviet/Pact forces facing them but going with what you say. Possibly Britain while taking a battering has done more than I realised in pegging back some of the Soviet air power.
Have to see what you come up with. Looking forward to finding out although hope its good for the allies and preferably pretty quickly.
Steve
My ideas on an ending are still up in the air but it will be a combination of suggestions made! They need those convoys. Their 'allies' are tapped out and so the reinforcement & resupply has to get through. With Western Europe, when mobilised France/WG/Italy/NE/BEL can put a lot into the battle and the Soviets have weakened their set-up. Still, there is a massive force there which could go very far forward. The missing Americans, more than the Brits and Canadians, brought so much to the table when it came to NATO. Britain has its army and a strong one now with all its additions but the RAF and RN have been hurt. The end shall come eventually. Me not really, even the URSS don't have infinite resources and the war in China and North America has been 5 months long by now and modern warfare swallow a lot of ammunition and put much stress in the various equipment (this mean lot of spare parts to keep them efficient). Not considering the various combat loss of both men and vehicles and great use of special forces, the possible attack at Sweden will probably see the STAVKA litterly scrap the bottom of the barrel to found paratroopers and speznatz (at least if they don't pull them from other places) and the Soviet Navy had take a seriously beaten till now and the coming battle in the Mediterrean can become a phyrric victory if they sustain too much loss. And all that don't include the damage at the economy and industrial production due to the various nuclear attack and food situation. To cite Londo Mollari in Babylon 5: only a stupid fight a two front war and only the heir of the kingdom of the stupid fight a twelve front war Every modern war we have seen has witnessed the massive strain on logisitics and armaments. The Soviets are manufacturing stuff but need to get it overseas to North America and China through enemy forces and also radioactive holes too. Not easy. The Sweden and Gibraltar fights, done simultaneously, will be very costly. redrobin65 did a list a while back of all of the MANY theatres of operation for the Soviets: I am sure it was past twelve! Another fine update James. Thank you kindy, Admiral.
Yes the Soviets have suffered losses, although most of those in China have been from Asian based forces. Some crack units have suffered losses in NA and two armies are on the way but the Soviets still have a lot left as the LAComs did a lot of the heavy lifting. Also their WP allies, if they prove reliable, are largely untouched. What their probably down on is largely speznatz which are less relevant against a fully prepared opponent and more importantly a lot of air power. Also possibly problems with the economy growing because of the military commitments.
On the other hand the bloc is weaker because of the lack of the allied powers, both those that were based there pre-war and those that would have reinforced if they had honoured their treaty commitments. Also their having problems from prolonged economic disruption and moblising of reserves while they have problems with disruption of world trade, most especially in oil.
If the Soviets did attack the bloc then they might well be stalled but if its on the Rhine as James suggests its going to be costly for both sides. Sounds like your considering that the bloc will continue to stay outside the war if there is an attack on Sweden because you think the Soviets won't be able to go much further so they can continue to watch the war from the sidelines and enjoy their free ride?
Oh, what they've lost in China was east of the Urals based forces but by now the western forces are arriving and China is a bloodbath still. The Soviets do have a huge force but moving it overseas is the issue. Special forces, paratroopers, naval infantry and air power has all been committed on a massive scale but there are all those tanks/infantry/artillery which would tear through an enemy in a slow but effective fighting steamroller if used. Sweden, more than anything else, will be the issue which turns over the Western Europeans as it is too much. We'll see how that goes in the coming weeks.
James
OK thanks on clarifying as I remembered you saying the forces in and I thought heading for China were from east of the Urals but obviously there's more being sent.
I was thinking in terms of those massive reserves being used in Europe if the neutral bloc suddenly changed direction. That it would be a huge mess and extremely costly for both sides. Which is why I'm uncertain about them doing a 180 if the Soviets attack Sweden. Yes the Swedes will go down but they will drain the Soviets further and the bloc losses nothing by stepping in while doing so exposes at least its eastern lands to attack. Especially think the W Germans would be having kittens about that - 'you want us to stick our neck into that noose, especially when we're on the front line!' The bloc has been quite happy sitting on the sideline while the Soviets wear themselves down and if the Soviets get some of their force out of the Baltic they still have to get them past Britain, with its natural geographical advantage. Especially if the Soviets are taking heavy losses attempting to force Gibraltar I can't see their motive for them suddenly deciding to become belligerents? Want them to as it would take a lot of heat off the European allies and give them a vital breather but it runs against pretty much everything the bloc has done since ducking out of NATO.
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Post by stevep on Nov 6, 2018 11:07:55 GMT
(281)January 1985: The Coastal Plain and the Gulf Coast General Schwarzkopf found out about the raid by the Blackhorse Cav’ after the event. His V Corps was with the Third US Army; that raid had been conducted by a VII Corps formation under the Seventh US Army. Operational security kept knowledge tightly-controlled with only those who needed to know being told. Aircraft from the Sixteenth US Air Force – broken away from the huge and unwieldy Twelfth Air Force starting New Year’s Day – which usually supported the Third Army were tasked to help get the Blackhorse Cav’ back out from behind enemy lines as part of a big air intervention and this led to Schwarzkopf being informed once it was all over. He would have wanted to have conducted a similar mission with his own troops. The V Corps’ assigned Cav’ element was the 278th Armored Cavalry Regiment (the ‘Third Tennessee’, from the Volunteer State) and those were good soldiers. They were needed where they were though, supporting the 5th & 24th Infantry Divisions on the frontlines where Schwarzkopf’s command held its sliver of East Texas. To be honest, even if they weren’t needed there, Schwarzkopf couldn’t have sent them on a mission like that. They weren’t as well-trained nor as best equipped as the Blackhorse Cav’ was: that was a cold hard truth, something not to be sugar-coated. If such a raid by the V Corps was going to be done, it would have to be by regular troops with more training than the Third Tennessee had ever received before the war and with a unit not as beat-up in war as the 278th Regiment was. To go into Texas properly, to liberate American soil there held by the Soviets and their allies rather than just raid it, was what the V Corps was getting ready for. There was a lot of ‘hurry up and wait’ about it for the men involved, but plans were afoot for the US Army to do just that. Schwarzkopf and his men would be doing just that soon enough. From Texas Command, word had initially come down that at the end of February there would come the long-awaited big offensive. The time ticked away towards that and through January, Schwarzkopf realised that the timescale was going to slip. He was privately told by his immediate superior at the head of the Third Army that it would be the beginning of March rather than the end of February. Regardless of that delay (still not official), the V Corps would be at the heart of that offensive. Beginning over the Christmas period and through this month, the V Corps received significant resupply and issuing of replacement equipment. It wasn’t enough, nothing was ever enough for Schwarzkopf who wanted more tanks and more heavy guns, though what came through was higher than any of the two other corps – both full national guard units rather than part regular / part reservist like his was – with the Third Army received. Moreover, before the V Corps took part in the offensive, Schwarzkopf was due to see the arrival of newly-raised reinforcements to his command. Both the 14th Armored Cavalry Regiment and the 6th Armored Division would be assigned. They were part of the Army of the United States, formed up from volunteers and conscripts who started their training to turn them from civilians to soldiers at the beginning of October. That process was supposed to have taken a minimum of six months. Schwarzkopf could count. October, November, December, January, February… that was five months, not six. A month – even more as far as the early information about late February had been concerned – had been knocked off that and the ARUS was a lot smaller than at first planned. There had been many, many issues raising those new forces in terms of issuing them equipment and then that time had been knocked off their training. Unlike veterans and reservists, those soldiers were all green the day they reported for basic training. Schwarzkopf would be getting those green soldiers though and taking them to war. Both of those units were moved through January down to Folk Polk in Louisiana from where they’d first been raised up and down the Eastern Seaboard. They came to Louisiana to conduct their final training and were joined by equipment in an ongoing process which aggravated him with how painfully slow it was. He made several visits to Fort Polk and witnessed their training. Some of what he saw he was impressed with, other bits not so much. They would be going to war under Schwarzkopf’s command soon and would be his responsibility. He hoped to take them all the way to the Rio Grande though was painfully aware that many of them wouldn’t make it that far. A soldier and a commanding general, Schwarzkopf would do everything he could to keep them and the rest of his men alive. He’d do damn well all that he could. Whether it would be enough though was something that he could only pray it would be. *** The two Soviet convoys which had made it across the North Atlantic entered the Caribbean at the end of 1984 and set course for Texas. There were a few ships which broke away for the Caribbean islands under Cuban occupation, ones shot-up and just making it across the ocean, but the rest were heading for Galveston, Freeport, Corpus Christi and Brownsville. The race was on to not just reach those ports along the Gulf of Mexico coastline through South Texas, but successfully unload their cargoes there all before the Americans could stop this from taking place. The best solution for the United States at this point would have been four – no, eight: two each – tactical nukes. The harbour facilities at each of those locations, already mangled by war damage, could have been once and for all put out of operation even with low-yield blasts used. Civilian casualties would have been ghastly though, to be brutally blunt, acceptable in the grand scheme of things. A nuclear strike was considered. Planning was done and projections made on damage, casualties and fallout. But then planning for nuclear strikes all over the theatre of operations was conducted on a regular basis and arguments were put forth to the politicians at the head of the US Government for both their use and the non-use of such weapons. Glenn wasn’t prepared to order it. American nuclear weapons hadn’t been used on American soil (the Soviets had done enough damage with their own) and the president said that they wouldn’t be used at his direction. He wouldn’t reconsider the matter, he wouldn’t budge on the issue. This was a conventional fight and it would have to be fought without nuclear weapons despite them being used – very effectively – by the opposing sides at the beginning of the war. Convoy #1 passed around Cuba to the south and went past Jamaica and the Cayman Islands before crossing the Yucatán Channel to enter the Gulf of Mexico. Five to six days sailing time behind, Convoy #2 also headed for South Texas via the Yucatán Channel which separated Cuba from Mexico after crossing the width of the Caribbean. The Americans threw everything at them on the way, everything that they could considering how the Soviets had directed their shipping to stay as far away from danger as much as possible and also protected it. Aircraft flying from Florida had to avoid Soviet and Cuban forces in Cuba and that was no easy task: still they made attack missions in the face of interceptors climbing out of the battered island in the way. American submarines active in the Caribbean faced a major anti-submarine effort from warships, land-based naval air power and Soviet submarines. Likewise, they too went after the two convoys while they were on their way across the Caribbean bound for the Gulf of Mexico. The US Navy lost submarines (a pair of them) like the US Air Force lost aircraft when going after the convoys. However, hits were made on shipping. Some vessels were sunk and others were damaged enough to have to be fast put into harbour either in Cuba or Mexico where cargo could be salvaged less be lost at sea. The rest moved onwards though, pushed onwards when bombs, missiles, torpedoes and minefield came their way. This was all the preamble though, the real drama started along the Gulf Coast. B-52s – BUFFs: Big Ugly Fat F**kers – launched cruise missiles at the four ports before the ships arrived, during their unloading and afterwards as the cargo was moved off. All those AGM-86 cruise missiles which never got nuclear warheads and SAC had sulked about under the Kennedy Administration showed their usefulness in mass conventional attacks. The B-52s were either over Mexico, after taking the Pacific routing (California > Baja > north-central Mexico), or above the Gulf of Mexico with shorter flights and shooting them off twelve or twenty at a time. FB-111s and even some of the stealth F-117s joined in, getting in closer to hit the targeted port facilities with laser-guided bombs. A good proportion of those cruise missiles and smart bombs were used for taking down air defences though and they didn’t always do their job. Soviet fighters came up as well, taking shots at the bombers and the incoming cruise missiles too. In earlier B-52 runs, made with solo aircraft over the Gulf of Mexico, the bombers had dropped a different kind of cargo which came into play only when the mass of Soviet shipping arrived. Mk.60 CAPTOR mines had been laid, more smart weapons. The mines sat on the surface off the Texan coastline with onboard computers at work sorting targets that mounted hydrophones detected. When a valid and also valuable target came within range, the CAPTOR turned from a mine into a torpedo-launcher and shot off a Mk.46 torpedo towards it. The CAPTOR was a fine weapon though one which could – if done correctly – be fooled, especially since the Soviets had their hands on several of these weapons for earlier analysis after capturing several examples. The majority of the fired torpedoes ‘got’ their targets. However, not all of those were real as the Soviets made extensive use of decoys due to the known threat. Galveston first and then Freeport afterwards were hit with special forces attacks. US Navy SEALs struck at Galveston, transported in armed speedboats racing from out of hidden sites on the Louisiana coast. The boats provided fire support with machine guns, grenade launchers and even long-distance flame-throwers while the SEALs made a ‘noisy’ attack on the port. Stealth had been used in their approach; when the struck they put to use maximum violence in blowing things up and hitting ships. At Freeport, the harbour served the Dow Chemical plant in peacetime though since capturing the port (the chemical works had been devastated by American demolitions; what a clean-up that would need) the Soviets had been using it as a landing site for ships from Cuba, bringing in military equipment earlier in the war before Cuba was left empty of all that was there pre-war. A Ranger team had been parachuted inland nearby and made an assault on the landward-facing defences. Cuban and Mexican troops had previously engaged guerrillas and had success against them. The Rangers were something else. These men pressed home a major attack and caused a lot of damage before making their escape, one which was then pursued by Soviet armed helicopters and a Spetsnaz team brought into to hunt them down. The US Navy’s submarine losses out in the Caribbean hurt them but they still had a few more tasked to carry on the fight against so many surface targets. Avoiding anti-submarine warfare efforts was difficult though not impossible. Once inside the protective screen, the shipping there was just a collection of targets. Both torpedoes and Harpoon missiles – launched at short-range to kill any reaction time – were fired. Another submarine was lost yet the final two of what had been five at the start escaped Soviet counter-efforts and followed the convoys into port, shooting at them close to land as well. Off Brownsville, within sight of the shipping canal from the sea to the smashed-up inland port, a Harpoon struck one of the ships that was carrying ammunition and the ‘lucky’ strike set off a chain reaction of explosions. A series of extraordinary large detonations took place where the targeted ship and another caught up in this were left a total wreck: there was even death and destruction caused to South Padre Island too where Soviet coastal defence troops were killed by falling wreckage that came down like the fires of hell upon them. The wide-ranging attacks against the Soviet convoys went on for almost three weeks when they were at sea and then in port. When queued up ready to be unloaded of their cargos of tanks, guns, munitions and so much else, the ships were easily identified and immobile. This allowed the Soviets to better defend them as well though. American air power did the majority of the port work yet one of those submarines did fire off its last Harpoons against stationary vessels waiting to reach the quayside at Corpus Christi. The Americans ran reconnaissance missions during and after the strikes had taken place. They counted the ships which had been present when entering the Caribbean and then those that made it to port. They observed the damage done during the unloading process and then to the cargo when it came off them before it could be moved away from the bullseye targets which were the ports themselves. The end results were good. Of course, the nuclear attacks which were refused would have done a better job than all of these repeated conventional attacks. They also wouldn’t have seen all the massive loss of men and equipment that the Americans suffered in striking so hard over and over again, using up ammunition at an alarming rate to get the results that they wanted too. Still, the official summary afterwards would claim that forty per cent of the cargo carried on those ships in the two convoys when they entered the Caribbean and headed for the Gulf Coast either went down at sea or was destroyed on the quayside. Forty per cent was a big number though, naturally, not one hundred per cent which the US Army would have wanted to have seen. The Soviets had a different number to put on this all.
Well that last line is a bit worrying . Unless its the classic case in dictatorships, especially where the leadership and reality are some way from each other where success is being reported to save someone's neck. With all the effort 40% estimated losses still leaves a hell of a lot. Hopefully all the attacks have also caused disruption which would delay matters further, although on the other hand its probably better for the allies if the Soviets were attacking and those raw new units, supported by experienced ones not yet committed are defending and then hit the Soviets on the counter once their lost their momentum and preferably a lot of their forces.
I presume that the blockade on use of nukes was to avoid the Soviets possibly using them somewhere else? No need for attacks on US ports as they could have been hit at sea, which would have been a lot more effective. Anything left would have been a lot easier to hunt down given the disorder the convoys would be in and the much reduced escorts and it would have saved a lot of American lives and weapons that could be very useful in the near future. Also might have been useful along with a small diplomatic message through back channels to certain national leaders "Are you sure you want to continue fighting alongside the Soviets?"
Have heard the B-52's nickname before but didn't realise where it came from. Or if I did I'd forgotten.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 6, 2018 15:55:56 GMT
(281)January 1985: The Coastal Plain and the Gulf Coast General Schwarzkopf found out about the raid by the Blackhorse Cav’ after the event. His V Corps was with the Third US Army; that raid had been conducted by a VII Corps formation under the Seventh US Army. Operational security kept knowledge tightly-controlled with only those who needed to know being told. Aircraft from the Sixteenth US Air Force – broken away from the huge and unwieldy Twelfth Air Force starting New Year’s Day – which usually supported the Third Army were tasked to help get the Blackhorse Cav’ back out from behind enemy lines as part of a big air intervention and this led to Schwarzkopf being informed once it was all over. He would have wanted to have conducted a similar mission with his own troops. The V Corps’ assigned Cav’ element was the 278th Armored Cavalry Regiment (the ‘Third Tennessee’, from the Volunteer State) and those were good soldiers. They were needed where they were though, supporting the 5th & 24th Infantry Divisions on the frontlines where Schwarzkopf’s command held its sliver of East Texas. To be honest, even if they weren’t needed there, Schwarzkopf couldn’t have sent them on a mission like that. They weren’t as well-trained nor as best equipped as the Blackhorse Cav’ was: that was a cold hard truth, something not to be sugar-coated. If such a raid by the V Corps was going to be done, it would have to be by regular troops with more training than the Third Tennessee had ever received before the war and with a unit not as beat-up in war as the 278th Regiment was. To go into Texas properly, to liberate American soil there held by the Soviets and their allies rather than just raid it, was what the V Corps was getting ready for. There was a lot of ‘hurry up and wait’ about it for the men involved, but plans were afoot for the US Army to do just that. Schwarzkopf and his men would be doing just that soon enough. From Texas Command, word had initially come down that at the end of February there would come the long-awaited big offensive. The time ticked away towards that and through January, Schwarzkopf realised that the timescale was going to slip. He was privately told by his immediate superior at the head of the Third Army that it would be the beginning of March rather than the end of February. Regardless of that delay (still not official), the V Corps would be at the heart of that offensive. Beginning over the Christmas period and through this month, the V Corps received significant resupply and issuing of replacement equipment. It wasn’t enough, nothing was ever enough for Schwarzkopf who wanted more tanks and more heavy guns, though what came through was higher than any of the two other corps – both full national guard units rather than part regular / part reservist like his was – with the Third Army received. Moreover, before the V Corps took part in the offensive, Schwarzkopf was due to see the arrival of newly-raised reinforcements to his command. Both the 14th Armored Cavalry Regiment and the 6th Armored Division would be assigned. They were part of the Army of the United States, formed up from volunteers and conscripts who started their training to turn them from civilians to soldiers at the beginning of October. That process was supposed to have taken a minimum of six months. Schwarzkopf could count. October, November, December, January, February… that was five months, not six. A month – even more as far as the early information about late February had been concerned – had been knocked off that and the ARUS was a lot smaller than at first planned. There had been many, many issues raising those new forces in terms of issuing them equipment and then that time had been knocked off their training. Unlike veterans and reservists, those soldiers were all green the day they reported for basic training. Schwarzkopf would be getting those green soldiers though and taking them to war. Both of those units were moved through January down to Folk Polk in Louisiana from where they’d first been raised up and down the Eastern Seaboard. They came to Louisiana to conduct their final training and were joined by equipment in an ongoing process which aggravated him with how painfully slow it was. He made several visits to Fort Polk and witnessed their training. Some of what he saw he was impressed with, other bits not so much. They would be going to war under Schwarzkopf’s command soon and would be his responsibility. He hoped to take them all the way to the Rio Grande though was painfully aware that many of them wouldn’t make it that far. A soldier and a commanding general, Schwarzkopf would do everything he could to keep them and the rest of his men alive. He’d do damn well all that he could. Whether it would be enough though was something that he could only pray it would be. *** The two Soviet convoys which had made it across the North Atlantic entered the Caribbean at the end of 1984 and set course for Texas. There were a few ships which broke away for the Caribbean islands under Cuban occupation, ones shot-up and just making it across the ocean, but the rest were heading for Galveston, Freeport, Corpus Christi and Brownsville. The race was on to not just reach those ports along the Gulf of Mexico coastline through South Texas, but successfully unload their cargoes there all before the Americans could stop this from taking place. The best solution for the United States at this point would have been four – no, eight: two each – tactical nukes. The harbour facilities at each of those locations, already mangled by war damage, could have been once and for all put out of operation even with low-yield blasts used. Civilian casualties would have been ghastly though, to be brutally blunt, acceptable in the grand scheme of things. A nuclear strike was considered. Planning was done and projections made on damage, casualties and fallout. But then planning for nuclear strikes all over the theatre of operations was conducted on a regular basis and arguments were put forth to the politicians at the head of the US Government for both their use and the non-use of such weapons. Glenn wasn’t prepared to order it. American nuclear weapons hadn’t been used on American soil (the Soviets had done enough damage with their own) and the president said that they wouldn’t be used at his direction. He wouldn’t reconsider the matter, he wouldn’t budge on the issue. This was a conventional fight and it would have to be fought without nuclear weapons despite them being used – very effectively – by the opposing sides at the beginning of the war. Convoy #1 passed around Cuba to the south and went past Jamaica and the Cayman Islands before crossing the Yucatán Channel to enter the Gulf of Mexico. Five to six days sailing time behind, Convoy #2 also headed for South Texas via the Yucatán Channel which separated Cuba from Mexico after crossing the width of the Caribbean. The Americans threw everything at them on the way, everything that they could considering how the Soviets had directed their shipping to stay as far away from danger as much as possible and also protected it. Aircraft flying from Florida had to avoid Soviet and Cuban forces in Cuba and that was no easy task: still they made attack missions in the face of interceptors climbing out of the battered island in the way. American submarines active in the Caribbean faced a major anti-submarine effort from warships, land-based naval air power and Soviet submarines. Likewise, they too went after the two convoys while they were on their way across the Caribbean bound for the Gulf of Mexico. The US Navy lost submarines (a pair of them) like the US Air Force lost aircraft when going after the convoys. However, hits were made on shipping. Some vessels were sunk and others were damaged enough to have to be fast put into harbour either in Cuba or Mexico where cargo could be salvaged less be lost at sea. The rest moved onwards though, pushed onwards when bombs, missiles, torpedoes and minefield came their way. This was all the preamble though, the real drama started along the Gulf Coast. B-52s – BUFFs: Big Ugly Fat F**kers – launched cruise missiles at the four ports before the ships arrived, during their unloading and afterwards as the cargo was moved off. All those AGM-86 cruise missiles which never got nuclear warheads and SAC had sulked about under the Kennedy Administration showed their usefulness in mass conventional attacks. The B-52s were either over Mexico, after taking the Pacific routing (California > Baja > north-central Mexico), or above the Gulf of Mexico with shorter flights and shooting them off twelve or twenty at a time. FB-111s and even some of the stealth F-117s joined in, getting in closer to hit the targeted port facilities with laser-guided bombs. A good proportion of those cruise missiles and smart bombs were used for taking down air defences though and they didn’t always do their job. Soviet fighters came up as well, taking shots at the bombers and the incoming cruise missiles too. In earlier B-52 runs, made with solo aircraft over the Gulf of Mexico, the bombers had dropped a different kind of cargo which came into play only when the mass of Soviet shipping arrived. Mk.60 CAPTOR mines had been laid, more smart weapons. The mines sat on the surface off the Texan coastline with onboard computers at work sorting targets that mounted hydrophones detected. When a valid and also valuable target came within range, the CAPTOR turned from a mine into a torpedo-launcher and shot off a Mk.46 torpedo towards it. The CAPTOR was a fine weapon though one which could – if done correctly – be fooled, especially since the Soviets had their hands on several of these weapons for earlier analysis after capturing several examples. The majority of the fired torpedoes ‘got’ their targets. However, not all of those were real as the Soviets made extensive use of decoys due to the known threat. Galveston first and then Freeport afterwards were hit with special forces attacks. US Navy SEALs struck at Galveston, transported in armed speedboats racing from out of hidden sites on the Louisiana coast. The boats provided fire support with machine guns, grenade launchers and even long-distance flame-throwers while the SEALs made a ‘noisy’ attack on the port. Stealth had been used in their approach; when the struck they put to use maximum violence in blowing things up and hitting ships. At Freeport, the harbour served the Dow Chemical plant in peacetime though since capturing the port (the chemical works had been devastated by American demolitions; what a clean-up that would need) the Soviets had been using it as a landing site for ships from Cuba, bringing in military equipment earlier in the war before Cuba was left empty of all that was there pre-war. A Ranger team had been parachuted inland nearby and made an assault on the landward-facing defences. Cuban and Mexican troops had previously engaged guerrillas and had success against them. The Rangers were something else. These men pressed home a major attack and caused a lot of damage before making their escape, one which was then pursued by Soviet armed helicopters and a Spetsnaz team brought into to hunt them down. The US Navy’s submarine losses out in the Caribbean hurt them but they still had a few more tasked to carry on the fight against so many surface targets. Avoiding anti-submarine warfare efforts was difficult though not impossible. Once inside the protective screen, the shipping there was just a collection of targets. Both torpedoes and Harpoon missiles – launched at short-range to kill any reaction time – were fired. Another submarine was lost yet the final two of what had been five at the start escaped Soviet counter-efforts and followed the convoys into port, shooting at them close to land as well. Off Brownsville, within sight of the shipping canal from the sea to the smashed-up inland port, a Harpoon struck one of the ships that was carrying ammunition and the ‘lucky’ strike set off a chain reaction of explosions. A series of extraordinary large detonations took place where the targeted ship and another caught up in this were left a total wreck: there was even death and destruction caused to South Padre Island too where Soviet coastal defence troops were killed by falling wreckage that came down like the fires of hell upon them. The wide-ranging attacks against the Soviet convoys went on for almost three weeks when they were at sea and then in port. When queued up ready to be unloaded of their cargos of tanks, guns, munitions and so much else, the ships were easily identified and immobile. This allowed the Soviets to better defend them as well though. American air power did the majority of the port work yet one of those submarines did fire off its last Harpoons against stationary vessels waiting to reach the quayside at Corpus Christi. The Americans ran reconnaissance missions during and after the strikes had taken place. They counted the ships which had been present when entering the Caribbean and then those that made it to port. They observed the damage done during the unloading process and then to the cargo when it came off them before it could be moved away from the bullseye targets which were the ports themselves. The end results were good. Of course, the nuclear attacks which were refused would have done a better job than all of these repeated conventional attacks. They also wouldn’t have seen all the massive loss of men and equipment that the Americans suffered in striking so hard over and over again, using up ammunition at an alarming rate to get the results that they wanted too. Still, the official summary afterwards would claim that forty per cent of the cargo carried on those ships in the two convoys when they entered the Caribbean and headed for the Gulf Coast either went down at sea or was destroyed on the quayside. Forty per cent was a big number though, naturally, not one hundred per cent which the US Army would have wanted to have seen. The Soviets had a different number to put on this all. Another great update James.
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