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Post by mostlyharmless on Apr 8, 2018 10:24:59 GMT
The best moment is before he even comes close to power, so I'd say getting killed somewhere in the first world war. His rise to power had immense negative effects on the position of German science and education, the core pillars of a modern economy. These are much more important than some bits of land. In addition, he seriously damaged the economy by his focus on conquest, which he did right from the start. A sensible government could easily have come to an arrangement with Czechoslovakia and Poland for certain bits of land, and could also have proven to have much more long-lasting effects. And then of course there is the horrible impact of national socialism on the position of women, which also did immense damage. I tend to agree that it would be helpful for Germany to remove Hitler before he took power in order to preserve German science, which was quite impressive up to 1933. If you want a very short layman's account of the environment of the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Institut für Physik, one could try Kurt Mendelssohn's "The World of Walther Nernst" (previews at link.springer.com/book/10.1007%2F978-1-349-01916-8). One anecdote that I recall arose because that the professors were seated with generals at state banquets and surprisingly they sometimes found that they had common acquaintances. One officer had been a cadet with Max von Laue and he remembered that von Laue had been a useless cadet. Thus, he was interested and pleased to learn that he had found a career better suiting his talents. On the subject of women in science, Lise Meitner is of course famous. However, one might be interested in the more ambiguous figure of Ida Noddack en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_Tacke or web.archive.org/web/20090809125217/http://www.hypatiamaze.org/ida/tacke.html. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 8, 2018 10:28:09 GMT
The best moment is before he even comes close to power, so I'd say getting killed somewhere in the first world war. His rise to power had immense negative effects on the position of German science and education, the core pillars of a modern economy. These are much more important than some bits of land. In addition, he seriously damaged the economy by his focus on conquest, which he did right from the start. A sensible government could easily have come to an arrangement with Czechoslovakia and Poland for certain bits of land, and could also have proven to have much more long-lasting effects. And then of course there is the horrible impact of national socialism on the position of women, which also did immense damage. I tend to agree that it would be helpful for Germany to remove Hitler before he took power in order to preserve German science, which was quite impressive up to 1933. Have him killed during the Beer Hall Putsch of 1923 with Hitler and several others being killed. |
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Post by steffen on Apr 8, 2018 14:13:05 GMT
Well... it is brutal,but kill him and thats it. Same with Stalin or - maybe a bit a surprise - churchill. Or a lot other politicans.... Kaiser Willhelm2, Teddy Roosevelt are only two more. For UK - kill Thatcher as an infant mean she can´t terminate british manufacturing industry. That seems a bit harsh, but how much pain, death (self murderer by killing itself, drinking into death) did she cause by this? But - for me it is enough to kill Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol-Pot... all as babies... this reduce the most evil men in history. Others maybe evil, too... but these are on my "kill-list" the 5 big ones... If you want, kill their mothers as they are pregnant... i do not care. It is allways bad to kill someone, but here the ratio of "do something evil to avoid much more evilness" is to singlesided. But i do, please while i do have no problem with them being killed (some of them) i do not agree ore allow the killing of their mothers, that is a bit to far for me. Well, yes - killing their mothers sound brutal and is brutal. Normally i would say "lets not touch their mothers or fathers", but on the other side, what did wrong with their parents that these guys get so brutal/evil? But i can accept and understand that we should not touch the parents/pregnant mothers of the evil per se... and yes, hitler, stalin, mao, polpot or lenin ARE the evil in name and person. They did so many brutal things that i would allways do the evil to avoid the much more evil they stand for. Don´t misunderstood me - the killing of innocent people (say hitler before 1918/19) is allways evil itself, but i would pull the trigger to avoid the worse crime that mean not to use the opportunity... i will allways stay angry with v.Stauffenberg, because all he need to do is to put the second charge ALSO into the suitcase... killing everyone in that barrack. But he made this mistake and we have to live with many many more killed people because of that mistake. Or the painstaking luck hitler had... Georg Elsner should have done it - at the latest. But nah, that slime criminal Hitler shortens his speach by 30minutes and survive. Why couldn´t Elsner not time it 20 minutes better? Say "let it go off at 9 pm"... if he had done this, he could have killed most "leaders" with the exception of goehring... so sad that the weather saved hitler! |
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Post by steffen on Apr 8, 2018 14:15:28 GMT
I tend to agree that it would be helpful for Germany to remove Hitler before he took power in order to preserve German science, which was quite impressive up to 1933. Have him killed during the Beer Hall Putsch of 1923 with Hitler and several others being killed. That is another good idea. Beer hall putsch, one person nearby got killed... why not him? Really sad that he survived that |
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