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Post by lordroel on Jun 12, 2017 15:45:03 GMT
And in the end the American betray the Bonifacio faction after they are done with quashing the ilustrado faction. It would be hard for the Bonifacio Faction and the Americans to remains on terms with each other and even in OTL the alliance broke after they defeated their ilustrado/aguinaldo enemies. Have you look at the other thread: Under the Iron Cross: What if Germany ruled the Philippines |
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Post by kasumigenx on Jun 13, 2017 10:22:05 GMT
I think it is not really the Germans but the British are the ones with serious plans to get the Philippines, I think they got North Borneo for that and maybe having secret negotiating with the Spanish..I think the British will crush the katipunan revolt in the same way as the Spanish destroyed the earlier revolts.
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Post by stevep on Jun 13, 2017 18:50:05 GMT
I think it is not really the Germans but the British are the ones with serious plans to get the Philippines, I think they got North Borneo for that and maybe having secret negotiating with the Spanish..I think the British will crush the katipunan revolt in the same way as the Spanish destroyed the earlier revolts. I don't know. Sarwak was very much a private enterprise project by the Brooke's family and I've never really heard of any plans for Britain to go into the Philippines, at least not since 1762. It might be different if Spain sought to sell to Germany after say 1907 when the crisis with Germany was under way and the entente formed so Germany was already emerging as the primary threat to Britain. Even then however I doubt they would seek military intervention if they can find a way to prevent Germany gaining it by other means. |
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Post by kasumigenx on Jun 14, 2017 13:14:59 GMT
I think it is not really the Germans but the British are the ones with serious plans to get the Philippines, I think they got North Borneo for that and maybe having secret negotiating with the Spanish..I think the British will crush the katipunan revolt in the same way as the Spanish destroyed the earlier revolts. I don't know. Sarwak was very much a private enterprise project by the Brooke's family and I've never really heard of any plans for Britain to go into the Philippines, at least not since 1762. It might be different if Spain sought to sell to Germany after say 1907 when the crisis with Germany was under way and the entente formed so Germany was already emerging as the primary threat to Britain. Even then however I doubt they would seek military intervention if they can find a way to prevent Germany gaining it by other means. I think the British could buy the Philippines from Spain in exchange for an alliance against the Americans..or have the Germans and British buy and partition the Philippines after a successful katipunan revolt by Bonifacio. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 14, 2017 19:59:58 GMT
I don't know. Sarwak was very much a private enterprise project by the Brooke's family and I've never really heard of any plans for Britain to go into the Philippines, at least not since 1762. It might be different if Spain sought to sell to Germany after say 1907 when the crisis with Germany was under way and the entente formed so Germany was already emerging as the primary threat to Britain. Even then however I doubt they would seek military intervention if they can find a way to prevent Germany gaining it by other means. I think the British could buy the Philippines from Spain in exchange for an alliance against the Americans..or have the Germans and British buy and partition the Philippines after a successful katipunan revolt by Bonifacio. The 1st would definitely be a no-go. At least a couple of decades before Britain had decided that any dispute with the US would be settled by negotiation and no military action would be considered at all. As such joining an alliance against the US short of already having been attacked by the US or having a close ally attacked by the US would never get off the ground. The 2nd also seems unlikely once Germany clearly emerged as the primary threat, although admittedly that was few years after the US invasion. However I think there would be relatively little interest in an expensive new colony in the region without clear benefits. |
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Post by kasumigenx on Jun 19, 2017 13:29:55 GMT
Aside from Independence under aguinaldo, there is another asb scenario for me.
There is a cliche scenario regarding Koxinga on AH Forums I consider the koxinga or his son's invasion in Luzon an impossibility because there is no chinese population in the bulk of Luzon, the chinese are concentrated on SW Luzon and the Greater Manila area on Luzon at that time..however I think Koxinga can carve a state in Southern Luzon where the chinese live and leave Taiwan behind.
I had created a TL about that, I will post that here later in the future..
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2017 13:39:54 GMT
I had created a TL about that, I will post that here later in the future.. I wait to read it, like stories like that. |
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Post by kasumigenx on Aug 19, 2017 16:36:24 GMT
If Bonifacio lived, I think the Philippines would be made a protectorate like Malaya or Cuba by the Americans.
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Post by kasumigenx on Sept 14, 2018 14:40:19 GMT
The treaty of Paris was ratified because of Aguinaldo's treason, in fact America could had gotten Luzon without the Treaty of Paris, that is if the Americans helped the Magdiwang faction expel the Spanish and not get Aguinaldo return which would have made the Americans get Luzon for free but in that scenario the Americans would not get Visayas and the so called Spanish rights for Mindanao.
We could have gotten the Cuba treatment in Luzon if they helped the Magdiwang or Bonifacio's faction, however in that case the americans would help the rebels destroy all the influence by the Spanish left in Luzon.
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